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Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion?

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Briar Creek Sta

10-11-2007 11:05:11




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This subject is sure to get everyone going. One thing I’ve learned over the years is guys are passionate about their trucks.

So, what’s the best truck out there for farm work? Chevy? Dodge? Ford? Toyota? Nissan?

As far as my opinion. I beat the snot out of my trucks. My truck is my 3rd tractor. I use it for everything from hauling hay, gravel, firewood, to pulling stumps. I can usually kill a good used truck in about 2 years.

I’ve had several different trucks on my farm and usually can put them in the grave about every 2 years. This is what I’ve found along the way.

Chevy- will take the load, lacks pulling power, engines last, overdrive automatic trannys are junk (replaced one a year even with a cooler added). Auto lock 4 wheel drive is a headache. The standard trannys are good and give a little extra pulling power. Front brake rotors are a poor design

Ford- Can’t take the load, excellent pulling power, fuel pump problems are a yearly issue, Bodys rot fast, rear brakes are an issue. Not dependable. Auto lock 4 wheel is very poorly designed.

Dodge- Excellent load capacity, more recalls than any other vehicle (if the would do it right the first time). Engine issues, fair pulling power, Transmissions suck. I have never had a Dodge make it yet. It seems I can put a Dodge in the junk yard quicker than any other brand.

Toyota - Very Very dependable. Not so good with heavy loads. Getting better on pulling power, but could use more. 4 wheel drive is excellent. Just not big enough.

Now when I say load. I don’t mean putting a half ton load on a half ton truck. When I load my truck, I load it. I have put 2 ½ tons on a 1 ton truck. I’m very hard on a truck and I have yet to see one truck out there that can take all I do to them.

I’m getting ready to send my latest truck out to it’s final resting place. Just wondering what my next truck should be. Anyone out there that knows of truck that can stand up to being beaten.

All these manufactures brag about there trucks. I say send one over and we’ll see what they’re made of.

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RodInNS

10-14-2007 08:52:15




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Hmmmmm . This is quite the interesting thread. You do know that the FIRST RULE of rolling stock is that it costs money. There's just simply no way around that. You can buy them new and make payments or you can buy old junk and make repairs, but both will cost you about the same. We've done both here.
Some of the longest lasting cheapest running vehicles we've had were Dodge. One old Ram van we had took nearly 400000 KM of running every day on a route hauling eggs, and it was loaded. It's weaknesses were steering boxes, ball joints/tie rod ends and brakes.... and ofcourse the body. The engine was never touched. The tranny was never touched. The rear end was never touched, but all were about screwed when it died. It was the engine that went first though... a 318 with a tin can carb.
By contrast we had a Ford F350 which cost and cost and cost. Had a transmission, a couple clutches, 4 different engines (but two of those were poor rebuilds) and constant never ending front end work. It never passed 200000 KM. It spent it's life on the farm hauling wood, hay, gravel, manure and various other things. It's normal load on a daily basis was over 3 tonne net with a tare of 3-1/4 tone. Engine was a 351 windsor and a 4 speed behind it. The ultimate demise was a broken frame after nearly 20 years of hard use and not very good maintenance.
We've never had a Chev on the place but I don't see that they'd be any different really.
I run around these days in a '98 Ranger that has ~250 Km on it now. The FWD has been nothing but trouble in that truck but otherwise the 3L V6 has been trouble free. The rest of the truck has been pretty good too, and it gets run hard and not maintained all that well.
THe best thing we did here was to get a truck appropriate for what we're doing. We've got a twin screw IH now for all the farm work which costs less than that old Ford to run in every way, and it's a lot nicer to drive.

What you might consider is getting a heavier truck, or use that big red brut (1105?) for your stump pulling. Get a heavy dump trailer to haul your gravel with the tractor or a gooseneck for the truck, or just have it delivered with a tandem like everyone else. In my way of thinking if you're destroying an otherwise good truck in two years from how you're using it, you're using it wrong. Get something more appropriate for the job.
We've done a lot of that around here. It's cheaper to have a couple of the right thing around than be fixing one of the wrong thing. BT/DT, still trying to change as we can afford to...
Personally I don't think it matters what name is on the hood with regard to trucks. In a given class they'll all average out about the same. It's just that each will have different faults.

Rod

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Briar Creek Stables

10-14-2007 12:24:39




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to RodInNS, 10-14-2007 08:52:15  
You're right, some of the old trucks would go on forever with hardly anything outher than oil changes and brakes and others end up costing just about what a payment for new would run you each month. I've been fairly lucky the last few years

The Ford truck pictured over thelast two years other than the normal 3000 mile oil changes ended up costing me $100 for a new fuel pump and when I bought it I Put new fleet brakes ont he front, they ran about another $100, but they're a better brake and lifetime warranteed.

Oh and $30 every time a horse or cow decided to swipe by and take a mirror with it. Other than that, I've had to put nothing in this truck.

The 90' Chevy before it on the otherhand, was on it's second tanny when I bought it and it ate two more before I sent it down the road. I learned real quick that the 700R4 trannys were junk for loading. That truck ended up costing me a little more than the others. I replaced balljoints, brakes, fuel pump, 3 universal joints and one of the auto locking hubs. Still no $400 a mointh but it was getting up there.

I do recall one truck that went 5 years. It was a 1969 Chevy heavy 3/4 ton with a 292 strait six. 4 wheel was excellent. That was one of the toughest I remember. The truck originally had an 8 cyl when we bought it. I had a rebuilt 292 setting in my shop that I was planning to put into a 1941 Chevy I was rebuilding. I bought that truck for $200 because the engine was bad. We put that 292 in there and man what a truck. I never had to do a thing to that one, eventually the road salt got to it and the frame split right in front of the rear axle. I did save that motor though

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Dave from MN

10-14-2007 06:09:50




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Well, I wont do no beating up. If you want a truck that will pull a load, or carry one. Try, and your gonna have to really look, to find a mid to late 70's 3/4-1 ton power wagon, preferably with 440 with a granny low 4 speed. If it has a 727 auto tranny it should be fine, just use low range in the tranfer case when it should be used. If you can find one take care of it and it will outlast you. For lighter duty any 1/2 ton power wagon with a 318 and granny 4sp will serve your needs. Seems like most any of the big 3 took the "truck" out of trucks from 81-97. My opinion, I currently have a 97 chevy 3500 454 vortec that just hit 200,000 miles, with a life of hauling a 30' cattle trailer full time. All it has needed was brakes roter's, regular fluid changes, 1 fuel pressure regulator, 2 injectors, and an idler pulleys. Was the father in laws before mine

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Briar Creek Stables

10-14-2007 12:29:52




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Dave from MN, 10-14-2007 06:09:50  
I remember those trucks. My grandfather had one of those in the 70's and had it right up until about 1990. That thing was a tank. I learned to drive inthat old tank. He would have to go to Syracuse to pick up supllies for his business, I had my learners permit and as son as we got out of my parents site, he would let me take it the rest of the way.

Would love to run across one of them



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Kansas Cockshutt

10-14-2007 00:42:39




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 I'll bite in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Since you are TROLL-ing around here...

I love how you kill em' in two years but here is a early 90's Ford that is still going- oh, or is that a real sharp picture from back in the day?

You love keeping up your place and performing maintenance but you boast about overloading and breaking stuff. Huh? I just hope your silliness does not endanger or hurt anyone else.

Its your money so do with it what you wish but the truth at the end of the day is you will get more work done by working smarter, not harder (and breaking stuff).

my $.02

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Briar Creek Stables

10-14-2007 03:12:17




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 Re: I'll bite in reply to Kansas Cockshutt, 10-14-2007 00:42:39  
Not sure what part of used you don't understand. I bought that truck just over two years ago USED.

The only equipment that gets abuse is my truck. I never bragged on beating the hell out of anything else. I buy used trucks and use them.

I paid a whole $1500 for that truck a little over 2 years ago that's a whole $62.25 a month. It served me well and I'm sure made me back way over the $62.25 each month. What do you pay $400/ month?? How well is that paying you back?

Most of the decent guys here through a little advice at me such as the ford straight 6 and so on that seems to outlast the others. Some of the jerks in here just had to add their $.02 cents to sound smarter than the rest of us. I'll mail you're $.02 back to ya

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paul

10-17-2007 20:09:33




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 Re: I'll bite in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-14-2007 03:12:17  
I was kinda wondering about the 2 year turn aroun also, that you beat up a new truck that fast! I don't see 'used' in your original message, so hadn't thought of that either. Maybe you mention it below, haven't read the whole thread yet. It makes a little more sense now knowing that.... :) You seemed like a more sensable person than that.....

This is a great site, but one question one should _never_ ask here is "Which color of tractor/ combine/ truck is better?"

Oy! It brings high blood pressures _real_ fast, for no good reason, from otherwise really good people. :)

I got a '92 pickup that I bought new, and it is running good at 140,000 miles, and has done everything I asked of it. I work it, but I don't beat on it at all. Other pickup is a '95, got it 5-6 years ago, it works. Doesn't really matter what brand they are, some things break, some things don't.

I suspect you might want to move up a bit, if you have a 1/2 ton, go for a 3/4, or to a ton if you have a 3/4. Might add a year or 2 to your machine.

--->Paul

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Nathaniel Watts

10-13-2007 17:45:13




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Last time i checked you could only get 4 wide in the bed and 3 between the fenders. I might know because we make around 20K bales each year and broker another 30K or so.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-13-2007 19:54:56




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Nathaniel Watts, 10-13-2007 17:45:13  
So that makes theload 60 bales even



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02

10-14-2007 02:58:41




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-13-2007 19:54:56  
There ain't no 60 bales on that truck,stupid.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-14-2007 03:20:10




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to 02, 10-14-2007 02:58:41  
Isn't (aint) it a little hard to count with your head up your @$$



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Eric SEI

10-12-2007 20:15:37




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
As to the Toyota, I wouldn't have one. Besides their false advertising, they won't put dealerships in towns of under something like 40,000, so maintenance can be a pain. A Chevy or Ford you are always near a dealership, Japanese trucks you may well be SOL.



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RossIL

10-13-2007 14:36:10




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Eric SEI, 10-12-2007 20:15:37  
Where did you here that? I live in a town of 10,000 +10,000 college students and we have a Toyota Dealership. The way I understand it is the size of the dealership is by how many cars you sell. The more you sell the more Toyota allots you. Its a combination brand dealer and my grandfather does car deliveries for it. He's always going all over the Midwest getting dealer tradeouts.
Ross



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mark

10-12-2007 19:58:04




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
You don't need a truck..you need a damned half track! The old man always said you can't cram 10 pounds of $hit in a five pound bag..but I think you're tryin'!



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Highway Hauler

10-13-2007 02:30:17




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to mark, 10-12-2007 19:58:04  
You are absolutely correct. I venture to say that when something breaks, he is the first one to blame the equipment.
I would also say that anyone who brags about how he can tear up equipment, lives in a place that looks like a dump.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-13-2007 16:40:11




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Highway Hauler, 10-13-2007 02:30:17  
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Highway,

I would venture to say you were an idot. Here's a picture of my farm..What a dump!!

We keep the place well groomed and very clean. We board horses for others.

Any junk equipment that can't be repaired goes to the salvage yard imediatly.

I do not complain when old equipment breaks down. I fix it and go on like anyone else. I'm just looking for a truck that can stand to take a little more abuse.

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Briar Creek Stables

10-13-2007 16:47:11




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-13-2007 16:40:11  
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As you can see in this picture. I also take very good care of the maintenance on my equipment. The tractor is always painted when needed and greased atleast once a week. The New Idea 512 was just purchased in this photo and will also be painted and greased up before winter.

The tractor has had 4 @ 5 gallons per change. oil changes this year. How many times have you changed the oil in yours?

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El Toro

10-12-2007 18:50:52




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
They never made anything you couldn't tear up unless it was an anvil. Hal



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RodInNS

10-12-2007 19:13:39




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to El Toro, 10-12-2007 18:50:52  
I've even seen a hundred pound anvil with an end broken off..... 230 pound ape with a sledge that likely broke it. Didn't exactly tell me what he hit it with....

Rod



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Hugh MacKay

10-12-2007 16:10:30




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Maybe you should buy a Hummer. Obviously you don't have a need for an actual truck. How about a military tank?



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Dave 2N

10-12-2007 15:47:08




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
1948 International KB-7!



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Allan In NE

10-12-2007 16:33:20




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Dave 2N, 10-12-2007 15:47:08  
He'd have to double clutch. :>)

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

10-12-2007 17:56:01




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Allan In NE, 10-12-2007 16:33:20  
Allan: I doubt if he has time to use a clutch, probably can't even drive a standard.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-12-2007 19:30:06




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-12-2007 17:56:01  
Isn't it passed your bed time?



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Hugh MacKay

10-13-2007 03:06:40




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-12-2007 19:30:06  
It probably was, seeing as how I had been on the go since 3:30AM yesterday. But that fact doesn't make you any less of an idiot. It really doesn't matter whether its trucks, tractors, airplanes, etc. busting up equipment has never been a receipt for making money.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-13-2007 11:22:33




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-13-2007 03:06:40  
I'm sure homework is tough. Fortunately you have a computer to help look up information for your reports



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Hugh MacKay

10-13-2007 16:14:46




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-13-2007 11:22:33  
Let me assure you, I store most of it above my shoulders.

I've seen the ocasional person make claims like you, just such a workload, only way they can get it done is by abusing equipment. Usually it is a combination of stupid and lazy. For the most part, folks who bust up a lot of equipment, don't make much money.



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rockyhawaii

10-12-2007 14:57:23




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
I wouldn't worry about a truck being Japanese, the last I read, the Toyota is more American than any of the Big Three's offerings. I've always ended up with Fords for some reason, but Chevy parts always seem to be more readily available, and cheaper.



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Haywood

10-12-2007 14:01:17




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Ya gotta quit using Puppy trucks for the Big Dog Jobs. IMHO



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Briar Creek Stables

10-12-2007 19:27:34




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Haywood, 10-12-2007 14:01:17  
Now that looks like something I could have some fun with.

I had a F500 with a dump box several years back. That is one truck I couldn't hurt. The only thing that put it in the grave was the frame rotted straight through. I would love to find another like that.



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Billy NY

10-13-2007 09:46:55




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-12-2007 19:27:34  
There are lots of old F-600's out there, some real nice ones, former fire trucks etc. I've seen quite a few on ebay, there is quite the supply of inexpensive medium class 3 type single axle trucks to be found in this country, some nice older ones, and later models, most would seem affordable. I think a heavier class truck is money well spent, maintenance is key, so is taking care while driving it, even if you do haul quite a bit or tend to really use one as a workhorse, off road is tough for any vehicle, best to have something a little heavier.

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Briar Creek Stables

10-14-2007 04:07:26




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Billy NY, 10-13-2007 09:46:55  
I was looking around on ebay at a few of the F-600's . You're right about them being very reasonably priced. I found one near Albany in the classifieds that I'm going up to take a look at Tuesday. The guy that has it emailed some pictures and it looked to be in fairly good condition. He said the only real issue it has right now that he's aware of is the right front tires are getting a little on the bald side. His asking price is $3800.

I'm thinking about buying this for work and maybe a smaller pick-up just to run errands with. Maybe something a little easier on gas for feed store runs and such.

Thanks for the input. I never even thought of the F-600's and figured they would be way up there in $$$. I was suprised to see that they aren't running much higher than a used pick-up. Some of you guys have been helpful. Other in here were only interested in shooting me down for the way I use my truck.

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Billy NY

10-14-2007 10:31:59




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-14-2007 04:07:26  
Yeah, I've seen a lot of single axle trucks, mostly fords, old grain trucks, some just chassis, seems to be quite a few, those F-600's back to the early 60's are inexpensive, some drawbacks like with single reservoir hydraulic brakes, 2 piece rims, good to make sure whatever you have is in good shape, saw a really clean 1963 F-750, bud wheels was a former fire truck, flatbed no dump, 14,000 miles, the rubber mat was original with the emblem on it, a gear with the lightning bolt through it, 5 spd, so probably geared higher, no 2 spd rear, orig Y-block 292, almost something you would restore for show, I've even found seemingly unreal deals locally, found a'79 international, fire tanker, 7,000 miles, $1100, sell the tank, mount a flatbed dump or something on it, kept in the firehouse super clean truck cheap, older IH's say with a 5+2 or straight 10 speed, DT 466, lot more powerful and fuel efficient, still lots of those around, I think a single axle rated from 20,000 to 33,000 gvw does a lot more for you than a pick up, use the pick like you said, smaller jobs. Single axles still are an inexpensive thing to add to ones fleet.

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John S-B

10-12-2007 13:32:56




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
If you are that hard on trucks I would suggest the good old M35 2 1/2 ton truck, better known as the army 6x6 duece and a half. It's hard to hurt one, and you can get them with front winches and a turbo for more power. I've seen them in running condition for around 5K, or around 10k for a nice one. There's a company that takes the bed of an army trailer and puts it on the shortened frame, (back axle removed) and adds super singles, and with new paint they were charging $22,500 for one. You could probably make one have a dump bed pretty easy too. Check the web and ebay to find them.

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K.W. in Tx

10-11-2007 22:47:25




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Well I was a ford guy but then I spent about 4 grand on it then 1800.00 right before I got rid of it. It was a F350 with the 7.3 diesel. Got a 2003 dodge 3500 dual wheel with the 5.9 diesel now and put 140000 plus HARD miles on it and so far just replaced the carrier bearing, and might be workin on the clutch now??? But it has held up good so far. Hauling 30000lbs most of the time and up to near 50000lbs of construction equipment. I got 135 horse Bullydog on it, Intake, and thats it. It pulls like h**l day and night.

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K.W. in Tx

10-11-2007 22:59:40




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to K.W. in Tx, 10-11-2007 22:47:25  
Forgot to mention I do still have a 1998 Ford Ranger for run around truck. Its had a hard life to with 269000 miles on it mostly back roads. Its probably the toughest little truck I have ever seen. I dont think it has a straight panel on it anymore. Its had countless tires! Had it since new and dont remember changing the oil maybe five or six times.



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American

10-11-2007 18:52:33




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
I wouldn't buy a Toyota even if it was half price or twice as good. Has everyone forgot Pearl Harbor? I wonder how many WWII vets drive/drove Toyotas. Maybe in a few years our kids/grandchildren will drive cars made by the Taliban.



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georgeky

10-12-2007 17:09:34




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to American, 10-11-2007 18:52:33  
Amen!!



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Dave 2N

10-12-2007 15:48:31




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to American, 10-11-2007 18:52:33  
BING0! I won't buy Jap because I still have problems about December 7, 1941.



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Lee in Iowa

10-11-2007 18:15:10




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Not to be a smarta$$, but if you use them the way you do you can't expect them to last more than two years. I buy old 3/4 ton chevys with 150000 on them and use them hard, 5000 lb trailer with 12000 lbs of cattle, but I try to be careful and the 79 I just retired had lasted me 10 years of just trailer pulling. The tongue weight of the loaded gooseneck is only about 1500 - 2000, about one third the load of three round bales. As far as the power of a chevy I've never had any trouble pulling this load with a 350. Lee

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Doug in Illinois

10-11-2007 17:10:56




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Have owned Chevy, Dodge, Ford, Jeep pickup, and Nissan. 66 Chevy was the best of the bunch, was a military pickup set up as such. Only 2wd, but with the locker axle pissed more than a few 4x4 owners off when I came and pulled them out when they were stuck with the rh front and lh rear spinning. Could address the issues with every brand I had, my current one is a 01 Chevy 2500 4x4 6 liter gas. Next one might be a Duramax with Allison, except for the 4x4 issues. Toyota is looking better all the time PU wise. Just needs a little more beef, but they are getting there. Run a 95 Corolla on my mail route, it is SO overloaded not even funny, but very forgiving. But, back to topic at hand, what you need, but can"t afford, is the Navistar CXT. Honestly would consider the Tundra with the 5.7, GVWR at 7200. Yeah, I know the 2500 I have GVWR is 8640, but the Corolla I had b4 this one died at 473K only because of an electrical issue. My guess is a good offroad shop could set up a Tundra suspension heavy enough to handle your "abuse". Oh, by the way, your load of hay on the Ford looks like some of the ones I have done, with one exception. My 2500 is extended cab, have went on top of cab and tied down. Don"t tell the wife.

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10-11-2007 14:24:27




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Go drive all of 'em. as far as tough, an actual axle up front is first and formost. look at the radiators, intercoolers & such. the ISB Cummins (now 6.7L) is by far the "toughest" motervational offering ever made available in a ton-or-under pickup, and some ton-or-over, too.



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kyhayman

10-11-2007 14:02:14




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
I've got an '01 Dodge 2500 4x4 with a cummins, works great pulling anything I want to try to stop. Off road its the pits. Too much weight up front, too light in the back, and the banging around on the farm has trashed 2 front ends (cant keep grease seals in them). I use mine like you do, hard. Overall I'm pleased with it, bought it new, 218,000 miles to date and engine is as tight as the day it was new.

My workhorse is my F350 Ford, 390 gas, 2wd with a 12' steel flat. Hauling wet distillers grain on it now, 12,000 pounds of tank and wet grain every day. Only problem is the 390 hates unleaded gas. Just cant keep heads together on it.

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nates90

10-11-2007 13:34:19




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Well, I'm a cummins guy, so im going to tell you to go with dodge....i dont really like dodge, but i do like the cummins engine they put in it...If you get a 94-98 dodge 12v cummins with a Bosch P pump and take care of the KDP and that engine will last forever. But as far as the rest goes....it can all break, i guess even the engine can. But if you go with a 12v cummins....a NV4500 5 speed, Dana 80 rear axle ....dana 60 front axle....thats about as good as your gunna get out of a truck. Most of the time a truck can take care of alot more stuff then what it was intended for...but you have to take it easy doing it. I also had some fords...only down fall i have had with the non superduty style is there front axle....not solid front axle. Chevy is a good truck, they have problems now and then, but havent owned one to tell you specifics. But i will say from what your doing with your truck...you should get a diesel with a manual transmission. Now for Toyota...I cant believe you even but that word in this discussion. haha...im just joking...i just have a problem with them, i guess i like american brands, and yes....i have heard that toyotas are manufacted in the US for then ford and chevy. I really cant say much about all the brands except for the cummins powered dodge....been my best truck.

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MNBob

10-11-2007 13:07:10




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Been there; But not regularly. Just when situation demanded it did I overwork/overload anything. That said The new Tundra might do it for you but not "used" enough (new model) to be "less expensive" to buy. My Silverado with Duramax and Allison would do it but even it could be ruined. So- Why do you have to always overload them? I got a neighbor that abuses every thing and then wants to borrow mine. No way. He works 2 hours and sets by the tv for 6. They probably dont make a P/u truck like you need/want.

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Briar Creek Stables

10-11-2007 13:42:53




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to MNBob, 10-11-2007 13:07:10  
It's not just the overloading, it's the other stuff along with it.

Some of the woods that I cut firewood in are a ways away from home. My tactor weighs 7 ton and not the easiest thing to pack up and pull up hills to get there. The truck is my substitute.

If I have someone that wants 60 bales of hay delivered, I would rather make one trip than two. Running two farms keeps me on my toes and to cut time down, I just try to do everything all at once.

I had to move 2 horses and 3 large round bales from about 60 miles away to my farm. I hooked the trailer up and away I went. We layed two of the round bales in the back of the truck and stacked one between them on the top. Loaded the two horses. If I had my way about it, I would of done one or the other, but I usually don't have 4 hours in a day to spare.

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Larry NE IL

10-11-2007 13:02:38




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Every brand has some good points and some not so good. My point is that you should get the one you are most comfortable with. If you buy ten of anything with a drive train, one will be the best of the lot and one won't be worth a crap. Just the way it is. If you buy a Chevy when at heart your a Ford or Dodge man and you get the lemon, you'll hate yourself and everyone who talked you into buying the WRONG one! They will ALL do the job.

Larry NE IL

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Brad Bachelor

10-11-2007 11:58:02




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
I've always had ford six cylinders. The one 1998 one I have now has 181k miles on it. I haul tractors, implements, hay, and cattle with it. This one didn't come with a towing package so I use the bumper hitch. Most I haul is 7-8k pounds. Been a good truck, but I'm about ready to retire it to road duty.

Found a 1999 F150 8 cyl with 50k miles and a towing package. Should get the cows to the salebarn at over 40 mph with this one.

Brad

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Rick kr

10-11-2007 11:42:06




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Wow,
With what you do, it sounds like you can break any truck regardless of brand.

I always liked GM, easy to work on, always had them. I am sure a Ford guy with say Ford. etc etc.

You didn't mention a price.
Since I am a GM guy, your next truck should be a Chevy or GMC 4500 with 4x4. Wanna go bigger, 6500 to 8500 with a nice CAT diesel.

Myself, I am looking for a beater, so I plan on working on it all the time anyway.

Rick

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in the background

10-11-2007 11:36:39




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
Sounds like you're not using them for the designed intent. Cough up the money and buy a truck that's designed for the load your placing on them. You sound like the type of guy that complains when the brakes on a 1/2 ton truck won't stop a triple axle gooseneck trailer with 30,000 on it, or loads up 40 sheets of plywood on the roof rack.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-11-2007 12:19:32




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to in the background, 10-11-2007 11:36:39  
Complain?? Not hardly. Abuse the truck, that's me.

It wouldn't matter if the rating
on the truck was 5 ton. I would figure out a way to get 10 on there.

I knew there would be a few in here that would take a shot at me for the way I use the truck. Yep, I use it for more than what it is meant for, I'll be the first to admit it and the last to complain when it fails.

I was just looking inputs from everyone on what truck they've had the best luck with.

By the way.. Electric brakes on the trailers work excellent

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Don-Wi

10-12-2007 00:23:05




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 12:19:32  
I'm with ya. Do I need a bigger truck? Yeah. Can I afford a bigger/newer truck? No.
Do I still use it well beyond it's factory meant standards?
Oh he11 yeah.

It's a truck and I'm gonna use it the way they're supposed to be used- with a load on 'em.

Picking pumpkins with my brother, we'd put 1500 lbs of pumpkins in the box. Could we do smaller loads? Yeah but then it'd take 2x as long to do the same job. We used his truck alot too, but his is meant for weight ('03 F350 4x4) The oe downside of his truck is it's so high up in the air, hard to reach over the side and grab the pumpkin on the floor of the box.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Don-Wi

10-11-2007 11:26:44




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 11:05:11  
When I'm done with my truck I'll let you know-

I've got an 88 F150 4x2, straight 6 w/ 5 sp. mazda tranny.

Dad bought it in 92, and it's still running strong. We pull 7-8 ton loads of hay with it, and I've put 1 ton or more in the back quite often. When my brother was moving rocks it was 2 ton. Down on the axle bumps but it moved it just fine.

Did I mention it still has the original clutch and doesn't burn any oil?

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Briar Creek Stables

10-11-2007 12:28:08




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Don-Wi, 10-11-2007 11:26:44  
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I've heard the straight 6 was a real good motor.

The only problem I would have is in this area 4x4 is a must. I live on top of a mountain on one of those roads that the county plows only after everyone else is plowed out. I usually end up using 4 wheel year round.

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A-C hayman

10-11-2007 15:29:42




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 12:28:08  
How many bales are on that half-ton? I think I've got 58 on a half-ton long wide before. I think you and me think the same on trucks.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-11-2007 16:16:13




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to A-C hayman, 10-11-2007 15:29:42  
I believe there was 60 bales on that load. I stack on the tailgate and all. I've gone one more row higher, but it gets a little tippy on corners and low power lines can get a little to close for comfort.



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Matt in TN

10-12-2007 21:49:08




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-11-2007 16:16:13  
Who do you think you're kidding? There's no way that half-ton has 60 bales on it. Go blow smoke somewhere else!



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georgeky

10-17-2007 16:51:16




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Matt in TN, 10-12-2007 21:49:08  
Seen a boy put 80 on one once. Thought he was going to turn it over just creeping to the barn.



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Briar Creek Stables

10-12-2007 22:14:21




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Matt in TN, 10-12-2007 21:49:08  
I'll bet you your farm that truck holds 60 bales. Been there, done that many times. You just don't know how to stack



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Briar Creek Stables

10-12-2007 23:23:31




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-12-2007 22:14:21  
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Count the Bales.

Borrows someone elses fingers and toes if you have to.

There is 14 bales on each side not including the the top row. In the box is stacked as follows 4 rows end to end and 1 row is 2 across. 3 of the end to end are 5 wide (including the tailgate) 1 row is 3 wide between the wheel wells. This allows me to stack over the sides of the truck and put a center row in. The top row is 8 bales down the center laying ast tie bales.

The Math

14 Visible each side is 28

3 rows stacked 5 across in the box is 15

1 row of three across between wheel wells is 3

center row, 3 long and 3 high is 9

8 on the top for tie bales is 8

Your absolutely right...I didn't have 60 bales on there. I had 63, shame on me

Granted, I don't fly down the road like this, but the lady who buys 60 Bales off me every two months only lives a mile and a half down the road

Some people!!! Just because they can't do it, they think nobody alse can

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Briar Creek Stables

10-12-2007 23:33:38




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-12-2007 23:23:31  
Forgot to add the 14 bales on each side are NOT including the top row or the ones in the box. I broke down them all seperately for you. The 5 across are stacked on their sides wich brings it to box level, same with the 2 across and the three between wheel wells. They are the visible bales you can see from the pictures.

I figured I should clarify that being you're not sure how to stack.



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Matt in TN

10-14-2007 19:13:52




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Briar Creek Stables, 10-12-2007 23:33:38  
Thanks for teaching me how to count bales of hay. Please let us know what you learn in algebra tomorrow.

Maybe then we'll show you how to hook up to a gooseneck trailer so you can get the job done without killing your axle... Yeah, the one that *should* have at least 3000 pounds of hay on it in that picture...



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Briar Creek Stables

10-15-2007 06:08:02




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 Re: Farm Trucks.. What's Tough? Your Opinion? in reply to Matt in TN, 10-14-2007 19:13:52  
More like 2100 to 2200 pounds. These bales were only weighing in at 35 to 40 pounds. The largest bale we weighed in was 45.

We were getting some 50 punders off our secound cutting. The first cutting was very dry.

The truck has 2 added leafs on each sid and a set of the coil spring over loads (load stablizers).

I think the coil add ons were rated 1500 pounds, but I seriously doubt they lift that amount. I think they just help contriol sway.

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