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Implement Alley Discussion Forum

square baler required HP

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tractormiallis

12-09-2006 18:47:40
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How much Hp does a square baler need? I have a Allis WD and wondered if it would run a baler. Would it run all square balers, or just certain smaller ones? Consider this pulling a wagon on a flat hay field.




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RAW in IA

12-11-2006 17:53:25
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  

we used to bale with aIH 45 baler and Farmall C once in a while. Loaded on the wagons, but not big loads (64 bales) Handled it ok, but you could hear every stroke in the governor.



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paul

12-11-2006 08:13:21
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
The older balers (NH 68 - 271, JD 14T/24T) use 15-19 hp to make the baler run. (They actually store about 50 hp in the flywheel for the bust of power the plunger uses, but can build it up from steady 15hp input.)

Then you need 7-10hp or so to pull the tractor & baler.

Then you need 5-10 hp to pull the hayrack full of hay.

Many people bale with as little as 25hp, tho that is very limiting.

One gets along real well with 40 hp.

The newer balers can use more hp, as they push hay through faster. Probably wouldn't want much less than 45 hp for those, & can use 90+.

In all cases, a live pto makes using a baler much, much, much easier & fun. If you are real short on hp, the live pto becomes more & more important.

--->Paul

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Joe(TX)

12-10-2006 16:55:58
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
WyoDave pretty much summed it up. It will run any small square baler. The newer high capacity baler cannot be run to full capacity though. I've run a Massey Ferguson 124 and a New Holland S69 with similar size tractors and not even worked them hard.



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WyoDave

12-10-2006 09:07:34
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
You can run and bale with about any small square baler of any age, but you might not use its full capacity. On older balers the baler will probably be what limits your baling speed. If you get a newer baler, the power you have will limit your baling speed. On our new balers we could bale with 30hp, but you bale as slow as old balers go. If we put a 50 hp tractor on we gain some speed, but its still limited by tractor power. On the balers with 90 hp tractors we"re once again limited by baler capacity. David

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Aaron SEIA

12-10-2006 05:18:49
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
It'd handle just about any square baler. Depends on how many bales you plan on putting on the wagon. I'd stay away from balers with throwers, I'm not sure a WD could do that and you wouldn't have the hydraulics to swivel it anyway. Dad and I have baled a lot of waterway bales with his WD and a 303 Allis. Small rack, only about 90 bales, but it never had a problem. Find a Massy #10, best baler we've ever been around and sized about right for a WD.
Aaron SEIA

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Tom in TN

12-09-2006 19:46:22
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
tractor,

I have a Ford 2000 that I think is rated around 30+ HP. I use it to pull a NH273 square baler. It takes all of the 2000's power to bale on slightly rolling hills. It would never be able to pull a wagon load of hay behind the baler.

I don't know what the HP is of a WD, but I do know the WD is physically bigger than my 2000.

Good luck,

Tom in TN



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jiskies2

12-10-2006 18:46:10
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to Tom in TN, 12-09-2006 19:46:22  
heck, we use a ford 4000 on our nh273 baler and it has a chore on some of the hills with a load...jeff



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Wisconsin Cowman

12-09-2006 19:19:27
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 18:47:40  
Alot depends on what baler you are looking for.
I would think a New Holland 68. Would do the trick.



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tractormiallis

12-09-2006 19:25:42
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to Wisconsin Cowman, 12-09-2006 19:19:27  
Ok, so basically any older baler would work, do the newer models, say within the last 15 years need more Hp?



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old

12-09-2006 19:43:19
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to tractormiallis, 12-09-2006 19:25:42  
Best way if you want a new baler is look at the manual for the one your looking at. The manual will tell you max/min HP needed to use the baler. An example of that is my NH 850 round baler, the manual says min. HP of 55 and max of 75HP. Your WD has around 34HP so it will handle a good number of balers but there are one out there that would probably be way to much also. I know the 14T and 24T and a few other JD balers would work well with your tractor

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j+m farms

12-10-2006 06:48:54
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to old, 12-09-2006 19:43:19  
my gramp's used to use a wd on flat ground with a t14 and later on i used it with a t 24 and we had absolutly no problems with power just needed weights to get traction if you wanted to get up a hill. the t14 manual says use a j/d 40 or equivilent tractor.



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old

12-10-2006 07:17:17
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 Re: square baler required HP in reply to j+m farms, 12-10-2006 06:48:54  
Well other then the fact its 14T and 24T not T14 or T24 your right.



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