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Michael Soldan

02-20-2006 18:33:44




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Welp, I've been getting beat up every day by a gang of ruthless thugs...16 black angus calves. I go in the pen every day to close the door to keep the cows out when I feed the calves. I occasionaly currie comb them to keep them clean..seems the little buggers figure its play time when I go in there, I'm getting bunted , shoved and mugged, pinned against the door, hit from behind, hit from both sides surrounded..there are two that figure its their job to take me on every day and its the same two waiting at the door when I arrive to close it, they do their damndess to keep me from getting by them, sometimes I have to take a run at it to get through the door I get a kick outta them, enjoy caring for them, there's a lot of trust between man and animal, I guess they figure we are friends...one of these days I am having a rodeo...I'm going to bed the pen with lots of straw and then the first calf that nails me is going down, gonna have some fun with them 500-550 cute just the right size for a take down..I'll likely end up hurtin meself..its a good thing I like this....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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RayP(MI)

02-22-2006 18:27:49




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Father-in-law had a mixed holstein bull that he kept in the barn and feedlot. Pretty tame, used to have pushing matches with him with a tractor. One day, bull found Dad walking around in barnyard, and decided to have a little fun rolling him around in the mud. Dad's brother came in waving his one arm, and bull backed off, so bull wasn't being really agressive. F-I-L was hospitalized with broken ribs and puncured lung.
I went down and took over dairying until Dad was able to resume. Bull went thataway before Dad got out of hospital. Brother, stock trucker and I went into barnyard with stick, fork and switch to try to drive bull into truck. Bull was having none of that - just walked past and through us. Finally got three tractors and tried to corral him with them. I can still remember brother's 4plow tractor going backwards across the barnyard with wheels turning forwards! Finally cornered bull and he ran into stock truck. Truck rocking all over the place. Dad showed me the sales bill later..... 2500# Moral of story - NO BULLS ON HIS PLACE OR OURS< NEVER AGAIN!

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Billy NY

02-22-2006 17:15:56




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Dear ole dad was always foolin with horses one way or another, he used to truck for people around the east coast, and as a kid, I used to tag along quite a bit. Every year he would make the same runs for a lot of people, and one of the places he stopped at, the guy used to have livestock other than horses. The fun part about going to all these places as a kid was you get to run around a little and check things out, in a respectful kind of way, never used to go snoopin in the barns or anything, but in the summer there a was always a cold drink offered, friendly conversation and everything else along those lines. I decided to take a seat on a fence rail, was a nice day, had some time before we left and I knew something was in the pasture, but figured it was a horse or something, was far away. Before you know it, the thing I gave no thought to, that turned out to be a Bull, crept up on me while I was daydreamin, he came over and gave me a nudge on the back and when I saw what it was I just about turned blue and jumped out of my skin, ran across the lawn fearing for my life. Dad and the owner of the place got a big laugh, while I ran for the hills and that Bull was just standing there looking like " What did I do ?" Have not thought about that in a long long time.

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BobinKY

02-21-2006 21:11:51




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
I remember a time when I was about 12 or 13 year old, we were marking pigs. We had a mess of little ones that we corraled into a breeding pen and the men were picking them up and handing them to the cutters in the next pen. It was mine and my brothers job to hold the wooden gate across the aisle to keep the sows away from the marking area. Well, when those little pigs got to squealing, those sows got excited and the next thing you know they got their nose under that wooden gate and lifted it up. My 8 year old brother and I were standing there in the aisle looking at a mess of sows coming at us, and they didn't look happy. We dove over the fence into one of the breeding stalls just as the sows got to us. Once I got my wits about me, I realized that one of them had gotten ahold of me and tore the sole off of my army surplus combat boot. That was a little close for comfort. Farming is fun but if anyone says it is safe or easy they haven't done it.

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Hugh Mackay

02-22-2006 04:53:53




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to BobinKY, 02-21-2006 21:11:51  
Bob: You reminded me of a time when I was about 8 years old. My grandfather and a neighbor were cutting little pigs. I had stood there glued to watching this proceedure. My grandfather had been doing the holding and the neighbor cutting. Even at a young age I always wanted to learn how to do these proceedures.

When Granddad put the last pig back in the pen, the neighbor grabed me by the arm, saying your next. Let me tell it was the poor old neighbor that got injured that day. I kicked, I scratched and I punched. I brought blood and I left bruises. Of course he was just kidding, but openly admited, "I best not try that one again, a young man in fear of loosing his jewels, far more dangerous than any animal."

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buickanddeere

02-21-2006 15:58:42




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
My Grandfather was nearly gored to death by his horned Airshire bull. The bull was a hand raised pet but it decided to toss Grandfather around like a rag. Grandpa managed to drag himself into the manger while his leg and hip was torn wide open and he was nearly eviscerated. The man was never quit right mentally and physically after that. Happened just up the road from you Mike near Blyth Ontario in the mid 1960's.

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buickanddeere

02-21-2006 15:52:06




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 Re: Farmer Abuse, d*mmed goose in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Last night while feeding the geese the young gander who only used to hiss at me took a bunch of nasty pecks. I laughed when he was grabbing my coat but shortly there after quit laughing. He nabbed me one on the leg. Its still tender and a little bruised tonight.



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Dave H (MI)

02-22-2006 11:16:39




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 Re: Farmer Abuse, d*mmed goose in reply to buickanddeere, 02-21-2006 15:52:06  
I have had a flock of geese on the place for 18 years and the first thing they learn is to keep their distance from me. Good watch dogs though and most people are scared of them. My original gander on the place died last year. Usual story, neighbors dog running loose. He'd still be here otherwise 'cause they seem to live forever.



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DRL

02-21-2006 13:52:36




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
We found that all the shock stick did was make them more aggitated and harder to work with. A good sturdy broom handle or shovel handle works the best for us. Can reach out and move them without getting them riled, and if one gets too pushy, a sharp rap between the horns usually brings them back to reality. It's neat now how they come around and want your attention, but when they get a little bigger, they will get you down and hurt.

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souNdguy

02-21-2006 12:56:11




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
get a cattle prod and use it.

i have a longhorn cow i raised from 3mos. She is now quite large. Every now and then she gets ornery.. and that dominance thing comes out and she will try to knock you down... can't let them do that...

Soundguy



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Superhank

02-21-2006 10:48:06




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
A very successful rancher in central florida had a prize angus bull that he loved and it was clear the bull was affectionate with the owner. One day the bull was being a bull but not intending to hurt anyone pushed the rancher up against the block wall in the pen and without trying, put enough pressure on his pelvis to split the rancher's pelvis and broke a few ribs. He was in his 60's and never fully recovered. No one knows how strong these animals are but you've got to respect them

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Sam (MO)

02-21-2006 10:20:58




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
I had a good dose of abuse Sunday. My bull got down with Pneumonia, so we had to load him up for a trip to the vet. Well, this feller was in no mood to be bothered. Once he got up he charged after me and my buddy for a good half hour. At one point I thought he got the better of me because I stumbled getting to the fence. But with a little help from the snott throwing monster I made it over the fence with just loosing my pride. I will keep a eye on them, even the "happy Heifers" they just don't know how bad they can hurt someone.

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Sam in Mo

02-21-2006 15:41:47




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Sam (MO), 02-21-2006 10:20:58  
about 2 or 3 months ago a man over in the gerald beaufort area was killed by his bull. his grand child was born the day before. I would think long and hard about keeping that bull around. Long enough to ship him. next years calf crop is not worth you not being around to take care of your family.



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Sam (MO)

02-22-2006 05:03:21




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Sam in Mo, 02-21-2006 15:41:47  
I am from that area, heard about the poor family that was a terrible thing to happen. This young bull of mine is on short notice, one more bit of trouble this bull headed to the meat locker.

Have a good day.



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730 virgil

02-21-2006 10:34:35




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Sam (MO), 02-21-2006 10:20:58  
sounds like that bull needs a new home like the butcher shop . he tried that crap once he'll try it again next time you might not be so lucky



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Jimmy King

02-21-2006 09:40:12




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Michael, be careful I have had some heifers that were pets. We had one once that when I went to check cattle the kids and wife would feed her out of their hand. Then the day came they didn't have any feed she put them in the back of the truck. Later Dad and I were putting up an electric fence and she walked up behind Dad and knocked him down, I was far enought away she could have done some real hurt to him before I got there. Lucky for him when he went down he landed on a 3inch 3 ft tree limb laying there so he rolled over and hit her right between the eyes. Yes I have had cows while I was standing in the gate counting them into the lot, they would walk up to me and stop for a petting. My son showed some Jersey heifers for a couple of years the first one he had would try to talk to my wife.

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Errin OH

02-21-2006 08:44:38




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
I’d be careful thinking you can play with them. Their instinct is to prove dominance. Have you ever seem a young calf get in with yearling steers. Usually ends up dead in a few days. It may appear to be playful banter but they are really testing the boundaries. Right now they think they’ll get knocked down if they push to hard. Treating it as anything else will just lead to more aggressive behavior. There could come a day you go in there and don't come out.

I know of a couple very lucky dairy farmers, and one not so lucky, that found out even the most docile of heifers can have a bad day. One was beat up pretty good (broke ribs) trying to load one in a trailer. Had he not had a lead rope on her, she’d killed him. He managed to hobble her by tying her head to her leg and crawl away. The other involved a year old bull. Farmer was found hiding in a feeder, when the help jumped in the pen to chase him off he launched him over the fence on his way out. They got him distracted (eating) and the farmer made a run for it. As soon as he came out of the feeder, the bull bolted, and the help buried a pitch fork in his front quarter. It didn’t even slow him down. Still managed to flip the guy over the gate. The unlucky one was found by his kid when he didn’t show up for dinner. He had apparently got in the pen to do something while they were eating (empty feed buckets by feeder). What it was no one knows.

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Hugh MacKay

02-21-2006 05:44:49




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Michael: Some animals just love to play, I remember once having holstein heifer. She would come up behind you stick her nose under your arm and gently nudge until you were standing there with your arm around her neck. What she wanted was you to scratch behind her ears, and as long as you did that, no problem. However if you refused or stopped scratching behind her ears she would start gently bunting you and this would progressively get more vicious unless you resumed the scratching. Other more timid animals would choose to scratch their ears on a barn post. Yes, how very much like people they are, some are more sociable than others, some are more independant than others.

I remember once being at a local gas station, owner was outlining to a group of us, some of the pitfalls of dealing with the public, how a lot of folks you go out of your way to help, will turn around and stab you in the back. I said, "Yes I would agree, 100 holsteins far more rewarding to deal with than any 100 humans."

On Stan's comment about the hogs on pasture. About 10 years ago a local hog farmer had about 20 dry sows on pasture beside a gravel side road, not heavily travelled, in sight of my house. He came everyday to feed and check them with his F-250 pickup V8. I always got a great kick out of sows coming running to the feeding area even when that Ford was still not in sight of the hogs. I could drive past with my 6.2 Chevy diesel and not a hog would lift her head. Same with most other vehicles. One exception, every time a V8 Ford pickup would drive by the sows came running. I even suggested to a friend who had an identical Ford to the farmer's except his was 300 inline 6. He could drive by and sows would never lift a head. It was clearly the sound of that old 351 V8 Ford.

Enjoy yourself, animals are a very rewarding experience. I once had a mobile welder guy come to farm, and during a brief wait our dog decided to socialize with him. He commented what a great vocabulary the dog had. I said, " It's little wonder, Marg. talks to him from the time the kids leave for school, until they are back home again, then they take over." The dog also parked himself under the rear end of Farmall 560 one day during lunch time, wouldn't let a new operator get back on the tractor after lunch. I learned later he had good reason not to trust the new operator.

And whoever called them dumb animals?

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Dick2

02-21-2006 04:42:08




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
I noticed one of our young frisky Shorthorn heifers had a snotty nose one day. I was doing chores alone at the farm that winter, so grabbed the lasso with the intensions of getting her into the barn to give her a shot. Wrapped one end of the lasso around my hand and tossed the loop over her head - and she took off like a shot. I'm standing there watching that rope uncoil and thinking: "Oh, Oh, I shouldn't have done that". When she hit the end of the rope, I went down face first on the frozen ground.

Layed there quite awhile in severe pain before I could even roll over. I sat up, but couldn't get on my feet by myself. After awhile my cousin just happened to drive in and saw me sitting in the cow year. He helped me up and took me to the doctor. One badly sprained wrist and tore all the ligaments from my ribs. Slept sitting up in a recliner for a month; couldn't stand the pain of laying down.

Gotta be careful with those frisky youngsters!

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Stan - Florida

02-20-2006 19:44:25




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
Mike,

You sound like my dad...at any one time (back in the '50s) we had 200+ hogs, either in the pasture or in the feedlot. When they'd hear him coming, they'd all head for the gate to be first in line. I don't know who loved each other more...him or them.

One of my jobs each day was to go to the pasture or feedlot to make sure they had enough feed and water, and also to make sure there were none lying around sick or worse. One time I went back to the barn and told him, "One of the hogs is sick". He never batted an eyelash...just asked, "Which one". True story, and all I could say was, "One of the black ones".

Have a great day,

Stan

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Jimmy King

02-21-2006 10:34:14




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Stan - Florida, 02-20-2006 19:44:25  
Stan, I have an uncle that he and my Dad farmed togather for 20 years. Max was 12 years younger than Dad, he raised Reg Duroc Hogs and showed at the Missouri State Fair and other shows. Hogs were kind to him and he knew them like we know people. I was in High School, Max and I went to a hog sale north of Kansas City about 3 1/2 hrs from where we live. I bought a gilt and left her to be bred to a boar John had. The next month I showed a steer at the American Royal Livestock Show in Kansas City. the steer had to be sold after the show in the auction. So Dad and I went on to John's farm to get the gilt, John said Jim I am not sure she is bred, but I know two of her littermates I kept for my self are I will let you pick out one of them if you want so I did. As we were on our way home Dad said do not tell Max yet and see what happens at that time only the litters were ear knotched the same not individually. The next day Max went out and and looked at her after he and Dad had milked then went home, later that week he and Dad were working on a piece of equipment at our place and he went out and looked at her again. Dad said how does she look and Max said don't ask me what, but she looks different than I thought she did. so Dad fessed up and Max said you can ask Doris I when home the other morning and said to her they got the wrong gilt then I looked in the sale catolog and the ear knotch was right so I decided I was wrong. He sees hogs as we see people and your Dad proably did too.

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Stan - Florida

02-21-2006 10:43:15




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Jimmy King, 02-21-2006 10:34:14  
Yep, and those 400+ hogs a year treated us pretty good, too, except a farrowing time in the winter.

Thanks for the reply,

Stan



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jossette

02-20-2006 18:43:16




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 Re: Farmer Abuse in reply to Michael Soldan, 02-20-2006 18:33:44  
have you tried electric shock therapy yet. Those little hand-held jobbers do the trick. wont be long and they will be 1500 lbs.



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