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Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Home?

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1206SWMO

12-26-2006 17:14:30

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In reading all the rules,regulations,etc in neighboring states it looks like they are making it almost impossible for a farmer to haul something home himself with a farm liscense.It looks like if you get over 150 miles from home you are basically treated as a commercial hauler if your GVW is over 10,001 lbs.

From what I read if I go 400 miles out in to Kansas with a dually pickup pulling a 24 ft trailer wanting to haul a 8000 lb 12 ft wide combine with the total weight being 18,000 lbs you will need a class C CDL,medical card,log book,fire extinguisher,commercial vehicle liscense,overwidth permits,name on the door,etc.The list is endless.

I'm all for safety-etc but it looks like when I'm over 150 miles from home I'll have to take the back roads and hope that I dont get caught?No wonder very few people collect old combines.

I'm sure that lots of you know far more about this than me.The local license bureau told me a farmer can go anywhere hauling his own stuff but it appears that is no longer true.

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iowa_tire_guy

12-27-2006 14:24:20

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

The summer of 05 I wanted use my Dad's grain truck to haul my W9 from Kansas to Iowa. He said that would be fine. In getting it ready to go I remembered he has an antique plate on it. They are meant to be put on vehicles that only run in parades and on Sunday drives. I mentioned it and he said no problem, he hauls grain to the elevator with it all the time. It was a 10 hour drive that I did on a Sunday and no one took a look but playing dumb would be my only excuse.

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Butch(OH)

12-27-2006 14:18:21

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

These questions always bring much varied answers. One of the reasons is people confuse the issue with legal and "got away with". Another reason is we have two sets of laws to deal with federal and state and people use parts of one and parts of another. Another thing is just because somebody has been stopped does not mean a crime has been committed and for that matter neither does a DOT citation mean you are guilty. Sorry to say but those DOT people are taught to use scare tactics to get people to pay illigit or "edgy" citations.
Now to get started finding out what is legal was very easy for me, call the PUCO (DOT in our state) The reason you first call your own state DOT is that if you are hauling your own property and your total stickered GVW (do not confuse GVW with weight of load) is less than 26,000 lbs then you are under the laws of your state and the federal law on this is; legal in your state, legal in any state when it comes to licencing of both driver and vehicle. Safety issues are another matter and a person hauling interstate should get a copy of the trailering and tie down regs for the states he travels in. NOW if you are not confused yet let me try to get you there. IF you are over 26,000 GVW (hauling your property or not) OR your are over 10,000 GVW and pulling a trailer hauling property not belonging to you then you fall unfer federal regs including CDLs, dirver logs, drug tests etc. Te easy way out might seem to be get a CDL as I have seen suggested elsewhere. A friend did that and found out the hard way he then had to logg ALL miles travelled in is pick up, hauling interste or no. what a PITA. To get usfull answers for your question you need to find out what your state rules are for farm tags and if the deem it legal for you to haul interste with MO farm tags then no state can say differant, been there, done that. I run what we call non-commercial tags in Ohio, not farm but not business either. In my case my truck GVW is 11,800 and my trailer is 14,000 or 25,800 lbs (just under 26K hee hee) and I do not haul anything that does not belong to me. This is legal in OHio, so other states must honor, something about intestate commerce act or something?. If your tags are legal, and your GVW is under 26K and you meet each states safety regs they cannot cite you and make it stick, which is a long shot differant than saying the DOTs cant stop you, harrass you and hold up your trip.

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Doug in IL

12-27-2006 20:37:54

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to Butch(OH), 12-27-2006 14:18:21

Exactly Butch. A CDL is a Commercial Driver"s License. Commercial=Commerce=Attempting to make money by hauling/driving. You are not in the business of making money hauling your own stuff. A CDL is NOT an interstate driving license, it"s a Commercial Driver"s Licence! Within in this state, the CDL does not apply on a family operated farm plate either, even if it"s over 26000 lbs. But you must have the proper state issued driver"s license for the weight class you are driving. As you say, the 26000 lb. limitation would apply if you went out of state with a heavier rig. We also have a standard, non farm, plate that can be purchased if you are not a farmer. It is somewhat higher priced than a farm plate. I think about 40% more.

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71ford100

12-27-2006 13:26:26

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

Stick to secondary roads as much of you can, try to go around scales if at all possible, and try to keep your width down am much as possible.

I usually just try and haul the combine and header in one piece but that is short distances.

What I want to do is figure out how to build a combine trailer out of Grand Hoeme chisel frames.

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Dale in MI.

12-27-2006 08:56:30

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

I don"t think it"s so much the DOT"s concern about your liscense as the state your plated in. Taxes, It"s all about taxes with plates. The DOT doesn"t want anyone killed through neglect. My opinion.

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Bradley K

12-27-2006 07:48:40

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

This past year I"ve been to Oregon, Kansas, South Dakota, here and ther in MN, and to IL hauling combines home with a 1 ton dually and 36" gooseneck.

The only time I was stopped was when I made the mistake of turning into a scale at 2:00 AM at Billings, MT. Was told to stop and bring in papers. Had no papers, outside of CDL and health card. He was mainly interested in if I had a CDL and log book. The guy was really nice and suggested I stop at the next truck stop and buy a log book, fill it out for the past week"s driving. Said he could have made me take a mandatory 10 hour break, which I probably needed. He looked over my load and found nothing wrong.

The main thing is to avoid the scales if you can. Usually they are closed at night, but you never know. I"ve decided not to stop if they are open, but there"s a chance they"ll come after you. Local police and state troopers are fine as they just want to see you be on your way.

The one issue is liability if one was ever to get in an accident. If you hurt or kill the wrong person, watch out. Even if you did nothing wrong, attorneys will find some detail that wasn"t legal if they can. Guess a guy needs to try to cover his bases as much as possible and make some effort at compliance, and hope for the best.

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Doug in IL

12-26-2006 20:56:50

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

1206, I can't tell you what YOU should do. But I can tell you, that in the past 5 years I have had my similar rig (3/4 ton Dodge Cummins with 26 foot trailer) in: KS, MO, AR, OH, IN, IL, IA, SD, MI, WI, MN, NE, TN and KY. Always hauling my own personal property. Things like a All crop 72 out of Ia., An 11000 pound forklift out of AR., A D2 Cat, with blade and winch, out of OH., a 9000 lb. engine lathe out of Detroit, etc. In the past 20 years, I have probably been in close to 20 states. I have never stopped at a scale anywhere. Only on one occasion has law enforcement ever spoken to me. That was a state trooper in Ia. asking about an antique tractor I was hauling. I was stopped at a rest area on I-80. He wanted to know about parts sources for his family's tractor! All I have ever had is a farm plate on my trailer. I always run the Interstates when possible, as they are quicker. And if I ever do get stopped, I won't have to play dumb. I just don't know all these rules. I'm not sure anyone really understands them, as there are so many contradictions every time this subject come up. So, I just haul my stuff.

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JD 5020 guy

12-26-2006 19:39:21

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

So far we have hauled a JD 3300 with a 343 corn header and a JD 55 from MN and Iowa all the way to MT on the back of a gooseneck and F-250. Didn't do any of that stuff. Maybe we got lucky.

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1206SWMO

12-26-2006 19:57:33

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to JD 5020 guy, 12-26-2006 19:39:21

5020 Guy, I'd say you and I were both pretty lucky.The DOT keeps making up more and more rules and we get to vote on none of them.They sure have an awful lot of power if you ask me.

In 1976 I took a 1962 Ford F-600 farm truck to Saskatchewan to haul home an antique tractor and went across scales,ports of entry,Canandian border,etc.Back then there were practically no regulations on farm trucks.Boy has that ever changed when they now treat everyone like a commercial hauler.Now they act like you dont know how to drive if you get past the magical 150 mile marker.

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430WLPG

12-26-2006 19:20:57

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

I ran into that very thing back in the sunner. You may recall there was two late 55's in Claycenter Ks. I had first chance at them but after talking to the Ks. DOT I decided not to. They told me a farm tag was only good for 100 mile radius of your farm. And this is not just combines it's anything. They said we needed a DOT number on the pickup and a medical card and a CDL and would be subject to road side inspections.(I have all that stuff anyway,just didn't want the hassel) But I had to talk to several Ks. DOT people before I could get a real answer. The Hiway patrol didn't know at all, So unless you run into a DOT officer,cause the other patrolmen don't seem to know the regs, you should be Ok. A friend of mine went to Neb. and brought a 55 back and was stopped at the Ks.Ok. border on the Ks. side,but he had a CDL a med card and they could find nothing wrong so they let him go. But if you get right down to it my crewcab diesel daully is rated at 11500 or so, You should need a CDL to drive it without a trailer(They go by the GVWR rating combined pickup and trailer)

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Solid Junk

12-26-2006 18:56:11

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 17:14:30

I does seem absurd that we can't enjoy our hobby hauling this stuff, but if you hit the lotto you can buy a 40' diesel pusher RV and tow a trailer with it and weigh ALOT more than most of us do all because it is an RV. I've always worried about this same issue myself, but I have never had a problem either. I hauled a couple of tractors to the PGR show at Dover, Oh this past summer. I am sure I was pushing 26 or 27k gross. I was passed by several Ohio State Patrol, and I never had a problem. I did have lots of chains on them, so I guess maybe the trick is not to do anything to draw attention and play dumb if you do get caught????

Joe

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1206SWMO

12-26-2006 19:30:16

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to Solid Junk, 12-26-2006 18:56:11

I think my worst fear is getting looked over by the DOT.Its pretty much over no matter whom you are when they get ahold of you.

This Summer I took a 1969 IH 1600 Loadstar farm truck 460 miles in to NE Nebraska and back home with no problems.I was hauling a Super 27 MH combine and pulling a trailer with the 14 ft head on it.We took all lesser traveled roads and went thru no scales.

One thing is that I know the back roads of Kansas and loaded I can drive home on mostly lesser traveled blacktop roads and even a few gravel roads where you might meet the local Sheriff and he will just wave at you.

Speaking of big RV's towing cars,trailers,etc this afternoon we were in town and one decided to turn in to a convenience store to get fuel.He had both lanes and the turning lane blocked for a couple of minutes trying to get across the street.I wont even get gas there with my pickup and trailer because theres no room.

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Nutsaboutcombines

12-29-2006 15:47:24

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Re: Farmer Hauling Combines Over 150 Miles From Ho in reply to 1206SWMO, 12-26-2006 19:30:16

Gee, 1206! That looks just a 1950"s custom harvesting outfit or a scene frome a late, late movie. LOL!

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