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Leland

12-08-2005 18:07:05




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Will it hurt if I put a magnetic heater on a K321 engine with out hurting it ?




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shannon from ohio

12-10-2005 10:33:57




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
JT? That wheelhorse didn't have a tecumseh engine on it did it?? They were bad about grenading rods on a warm day with 30w oil.. Never had any luck with a tejunkseh motor



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Floyd Stocker

12-10-2005 07:16:48




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
Go to a farm store and get a 125 watt heat lamp,
farmers use them all the time, they work super. I use one on my G14 Bolens, just set it under the engine in an upright position and cover the hood with an old blanket--- make sure the cover is awy fron the lamp.
Floyd



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deanop

12-09-2005 19:13:56




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
i'm wonderin if you don't have other issues with the cranking...i started my 200 today...it was about 7-10 degrees f..fiered right off and ran...i've got a 112 have not started in a month..,but i bet if i try tommorrrow morn at 5 degrees farenheit she'll fire rite off.., all i use year round 30w.....haven't blown em yet..



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JT

12-10-2005 06:08:38




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to deanop, 12-09-2005 19:13:56  
You are a lucky man, I have a Wheel Horse that had 30w oil in it. It would not start at 10, I got it started at 25, ran for about 2-3 minutes, rod grenaded. Took it apart, lack of lubrication. oil level was full. oil too thick, had about 10 hours on oil, so it was even fresh clean oil. $2.00 oil is cheaper that a $400.00 rebuild.



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deanop

12-10-2005 19:18:22




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to JT, 12-10-2005 06:08:38  
oops..didn't want to sound like i'm slammin...i think it is a good idea if a person wants to take the time to preheat an engine any engine its probably a good idea...i guess i've just got too many other projects i'm always doin, don't bother with the garden tractors...on my farm tractors, it it is reallllly cold, waay below zero, i'll plug them in..otherwise i just start em up as well..maybe i've been very lucky in my life, as far as major engine failure...

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deanop

12-10-2005 19:06:07




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to JT, 12-10-2005 06:08:38  
started the 200 this mornin...i'm buildin a lean to 20x80 drove it and the dump cart full of tools...fired off and running within 4-5 seconds...i rebuilt this 5 years ago or so haven't used anything but 30w...(when i bought it the motor was shot...) it was about 12 degrees f..mower sits in pole shed..unheated...thats why i don't think you need a heater if mower is in good running condition...the 112 i own has had nothing but 30w, i use for mowin/snowblowing and that fires right off as well..i'm not braggin, but just think cold shouldn't be an issue with these guys....

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lucasss

12-09-2005 07:41:43




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
have tractor with k341 we use for plowing snow. i was laying a floodlight next to the lower block at night,it seemed to help it crank alot faster.maybe same as a mag heater ? lucas



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JT

12-09-2005 07:20:15




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
Will not hurt anything, if you use 10W30 oil, plus a block heater, it will help more than having nothing. But, Leland, at -1,-2 degrees like we have had the last couple of days here, nothing wants to start, including ME.



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Leland

12-09-2005 15:04:55




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to JT, 12-09-2005 07:20:15  
That is wanted I wanted to know and I was wanting to put it on the head after shutting down to try to keep it warm so it may fire faster , and I an using 5w30 is this to thin



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JT

12-12-2005 11:53:54




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-09-2005 15:04:55  
Leland, 5w30 around here is not too thin as long as you don't use it in the summer time. For winter it is great, sure makes 'em a lot ewasier to start.
Jim



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Leland

12-12-2005 16:25:58




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to JT, 12-12-2005 11:53:54  
That is what I was kinda of thinking .



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Jeff

12-09-2005 06:21:19




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
It shouldn"t hurt because those heaters hardely get warm enough to do any good anyway. I know a guy that bought about 5 of them to put on his tractors. I went to the same store to get one myself. At the time I was there, he came in and brought all of them back. He said that he took one and put it on the side of a metal pale that had a coating of ice in it. He left it on for over an hour and it would do anything. If it can"t heat through the pale, it will never heat through an engine block. I put mine back. They may be better now as this was 4 or 5 years ago.

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JT

12-09-2005 07:16:49




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Jeff, 12-09-2005 06:21:19  
Jeff a magnetic heater is like a block heater on a tractor, they are not an instant heater, they need to be on for at least8-10 hours to work, If he left it on a frozen bucket for an hour, he did not give it a chance to work. We have use them before and work good for what they are, a low wattage heater, to warm a block, not thaw one out.



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Jeff

12-10-2005 20:31:28




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to JT, 12-09-2005 07:16:49  
That would explain it. I really can't remember how long he left it on for. Seems to me it was an hour but it could have been more. 8 to 10 hours isn't for me. I needed something that would heat things up quicker at the time.



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stronics

12-09-2005 04:23:20




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to Leland, 12-08-2005 18:07:05  
I"m not sure what a magnetic heater is but I can"t see how any heater would hurt as long as it don"t get the oil over 300 degrees.
I use a quartz ligt close to the pan if I have 30 weight oil in it on a cold day, 32 or less.
David



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ldj

12-09-2005 16:07:32




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to stronics, 12-09-2005 04:23:20  
I don't remember for sure but I think oil boils at 240*F. If my memory is correct, you sure wouldn't want to let the oil get to 300*F. Check it out before you let it get over 200*. I have operated quit a few engines that has oil temp gauge. Red line is usual between 190 and 240, mostly around 200.
L.D.



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clintMN

12-16-2005 20:58:18




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to ldj, 12-09-2005 16:07:32  
Stronics is right- and you may be too. The boiling point may be 240- if you're talking about stone age unimproved mineral oil, but most modern oil manufacturers recommend 250 as a MINIMUM operating temp. That's right- despite the common sense logic that cooler and thicker good, hotter and thinner bad, they say oil doesn't do it's best work until 250. But here's the kicker- they are PROBABLY assuming a pressure lubrication system. In a splash lubrication system, a little extra viscosity is probably helpful-and that's why most of them still reccommend straight 30w in the summer, while your car says 5w-20. However, if the oil is so thick that it breaks off the slinger, that is definitely not a good thing. Use the heater.

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stronics

12-11-2005 04:59:33




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 Re: block heater on a kohler in reply to ldj, 12-09-2005 16:07:32  
ldj,
I bought a new crotch rocket Suzy in 83 and it had an oil temp gauge on it. When it was new it would get to 375 degrees after running for 30 minutes so I called the factory and they said, "It will be that hot till 3000 miles then it will come down to 275 where oil cleans and lubes the best".
I think oil boils at somewhere above 400 degrees and when it does if it gets air it will self ignite, hence "flash point".
Doesn't seem possible does it?
David

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