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Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram

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Artthur

03-06-2008 19:10:49
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This message is a reply to an archived post by Jack Massimino on December 27, 2005 at 05:56:19.
The original subject was "Re: Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram".

I also am looking for the ford 601 wiring diagram. My wiring is a mess. If anyone has one i sure would appreciate it. Art




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Artthur Wolch

03-11-2008 04:43:12
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
This is Art again..12V conversion.
How do I install the diode. And does it just staay in the open or does it get covered. After changing the jumper wire like they said, my alternator started arching and smoking! I did have the key on when I hooked it up. What did I do wrong?Also I have an alternator without an internal regulator.
Thanks guys,
Art



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john in la

03-08-2008 19:45:15
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
Art;

If your alternator is a Delco you most likely have the 10si. Very common for this alternator to be used in conversions.

If the ampmeter shows a discharge with the key on and the motor not running then moves to the center or off discharge it is most likely working correctly. Very uncommon for the neddle to move into the charge area very much because tractors use very little power and it does not take very long to charge a slightly discharged battery.
If you have a cheap hand held volt meter ($20 at wal mart) you can check battery voltage while the tractor is running to be sure. Should be about 14 volts when engine is running and alternator is charging.

The wires on the alternator.

Battery
This is where the power leaves the alternator to charge the battery. We usualy use the starter relay as a place to connect this wire to the battery because the large battery wire is hooked here anyway.

1/F
This is the field wire. Power comes into the alternator on this wire to activate or excite the field wires so the alternator will start charging.
This wire needs some kind of way (one way diode; idiot light)to prevent current from flowing in the opposite direction because it is hooked up in the same place as the coil. If you do not include this when you turn the key off the alternator will supply power to the coil and the engine will not shut down.

2/S
This is the stator wire. This is where the regulator reads the charge of the battery. In a car this wire is run back into the wiring harness and then spliced into the battery wire. This is done to so we can get a true reading of the battery charge and do not have to adjust for current drop over a long wire. Since a tractor has very little wiring we do not need to worry to much about current drop. So we can just take a small jumper wire and hook the #2/S post directly to the battery post on the back of the alternator.

So the short answer would be the 2/S wire hooks to the battery post on the back of the alternator.

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Artthur Wolch

03-09-2008 10:01:38
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to john in la, 03-08-2008 19:45:15  
John
I had the jumper wire as such- The 2s wire went directly to the battery post on the alternator. It started smoking out of the alternator real badley so disconnted that real quickley. Thats were I am at now. Thanks for helping with this problemJohn.
Art



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Artthur Wolch

03-10-2008 16:52:47
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur Wolch, 03-09-2008 10:01:38  
John
Do you have any idea why the alternator would start smoking when I hooked the 2s wire to the battery on the alternator?



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Artthur Wolch

03-08-2008 12:37:10
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
Hi Guys
When I look at the wiring diagram for the 601 3 wire 12 V conversion. I see a loop on the alternator the 2/s where is it going? Art



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john in la

03-07-2008 22:49:14
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
Art;
I had a computer crash a few weeks ago so I do not have all my links at my finger tips but lets see if I can point you in the right direction.

I need to know a few things so I can answer your questions corectly. 1) Most conversions were done with a Delco 10 si alternator. I need to know this is what you have. A delco will have a Battery post on the back of the alternator and a plug for 2 wires on the side (very rear) of the alternator and will look like this

2) do you want to keep the ampmeter or change back to the stock dash (idiot) light for the 601.


If I assume you have a delco and you want to keep the ampmeter then the picture that Chris posted is close but not correct. You would use this diagram but the 601 has a 4 wire starter relay.
A better diagram for you to follow is this one. Then I can just tell you to replace the idiot light with a one way diode from radio shack and install the ampmeter in the battery wire between the alternator and the starter relay. Look at the picture Chris posted to see these parts.

If the wiring is as bad as you claim it is may I suggest that you just rip it all out and start from scratch.

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Artthur Wolch

03-08-2008 12:29:51
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to john in la, 03-07-2008 22:49:14  
John
I have to take a look at the alternator. I do know it is a Delco. Today I went out to work on it and check the wires as to how I have it wired. I turnd on the lights to let the battery go down to see if the ampmeter would go to charge. Well The new battery went low. We charged the battery and then started the tractor but the ampmeter did not move at all to charge area. When you turn the key alone without starting the tractor it does discharge just a bit. But shouldnt it be chargeing when the battery is low? I just cannot figure out what the problem is. New ampmeter, new coil. The alternator is old but the shop I took it too checked it and it is fine they said. i sure appreciate your guys help.
Art

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GlenIdaho

03-07-2008 04:07:43
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
Art; if your not that familiar with the wiring etc. Here is a link to a great step by step explanation by John in La. Watch the diode installation as it must be installed the correct way. Hope it helps.



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NWMO 901 SOS

03-06-2008 20:14:55
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to Artthur, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  
[quote="Arttur"](quoted from post at 22:50:42 03/06/08) Chris

Hey Art,

After a quick search I found a link "John in la" provided to his photobucket site with multiple diagrams. I believe this is what you are looking for. If it's not quite what you need, you might try looking through some of his others. The link is at the bottom. Good luck.



http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/johnLA/?sc=1&multi=1&addtype=local&media=image

Chris

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NWMO 901 SOS

03-06-2008 19:34:19
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to desoldcar, 03-06-2008 19:10:49  

Artthur said: (quoted from post at 22:10:49 03/06/08) This message is a reply to an archived post by Jack Massimino on December 27, 2005 at 05:56:19.

The original subject was "Re: Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram".

I also am looking for the ford 601 wiring diagram. My wiring is a mess. If anyone has one i sure would appreciate it. Art


Art,

Here is an old post of the 601 wiring, 6V positive ground with a charge light. John in la has anything you need and these are his diagrams nicely done. They have helped me as well.

http://www.ytmag.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ford&th=396958

Chris

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Arttur

03-06-2008 19:50:42
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 Re: Ford 601 Electrical Diagram in reply to NWMO 901 SOS, 03-06-2008 19:34:19  
Chris

Thanks for replying. How do I get hold of this John. My 601 ford workmaster was converted by the Airforce to a 12 Volt. It has an alternator and 3 wires and an ampmeter, and I am trying to figure out how to wire itup as its a mess. I'm just an elderly man who loves to work on these old fords. But the wiring has me stumped. I wish I could get a good wiring diagram fromsomeone. If anyone has one I sure would be thankful. Can even e-mail it to my daughter at her e-mail address above. Thank you!
Art

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