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DonCam

12-01-2006 20:33:13




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Folks I just purchased a 4 post 12 volt starter solenoid online,it lists it's for a 861 and others. I am wondering how it should be wired up. Are the two smaller posts for the solenoid coil a ground and positive? I am wondering this because I have a converted tractor, 12 volt system that has an ignition switch and a pushbutton starter button mounted on the side. I would like to wire the starter up to use the starter switch that is in the tranny so I will have neutral safety function. Now if the 4 post solenoid small posts are for the solenoid coil then it's easy to wire using the neutral starter switch. On the other hand some of those solenoids used one of those small posts to give a full 12 volts to the ignition coil on startup.
The solenoid I am getting is a Ford Part number so I assume it's really a direct replacement for the ones on the 01 series tractors. Are the solenoids for the 01 series wired with the small posts for the solenoid coil ground and positive?

Looked in the archives and couldn't find anything there.
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Don

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john in la

12-01-2006 23:46:42




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 Re: 860 Starter Solenoid in reply to DonCam, 12-01-2006 20:33:13  
Lets see if I can explain (again) how the starter relay works.

On a X00 tractor they use a 3 post relay.
The small post gets hooked to the starter button on the trans. The relay gets its power from a internal jumper to the battery side of the relay.
This is why you have to hook the battery to the correct side of the relay for it to work.
The problem with this relay is you can crank the tractor with out having the key on. It will not start because the key provides power to the coil; but it is still dangerous around children.

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Now we go to the X01 tractors. We now have to deal with diesel motors so we need a relay that will not work with the key off. So the relay was changed to a 4 post relay. Instead of getting its power from a internal jumper the power is now supplied via the key to one of the small post. The other small post gets hooked to the starter button on the trans.

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Now we move on to the 1965 and newer tractors. These tractors use the same relay as the cars do.
The S post is hook to ground internally so you do not need the starter button on the trans. When you supply power to the S post from a dash mount starter button or by using a key with a start position the motor will crank. The I post is hook to the output or starter side of the relay via a internal connection. It only gets power while cranking so we can hook a wire from here straight to the coil to bypass a inline resistor that is in the wire from the key to the coil. This bypass supplies a full 12 volts to the coil while cranking for easy starting. Once the tractor starts this connection is broken so the coil needs to get its power from the key via the inline resistor preventing the coil from burning up from to many volts.

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Al in Texas

05-25-2007 07:45:11




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 Ford 2000 Starter Relay in reply to john in la, 12-01-2006 23:46:42  
I am having trouble with a starter relay on a 1971 Ford 2000 tractor. It is 12 V and has to start position on the key. It worked fine until I tried to clean the posts on the starter relay and I broke one of them. I got a new one - part #76919 and installed it but it doesn't work. Does anyone have a wiring diagram for this. I currently think I just got a bad switch from the dealer, but I wanted to run down the wires as well.

Any help would be appreciated.

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DonCam

12-02-2006 02:29:00




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 Re: 860 Starter Solenoid in reply to john in la, 12-01-2006 23:46:42  
John,
That information you gave me is exactly what I was looking for. I did find your wiring diagrams after I posted the question but still wasn't 100% positive how the solenoid coil was wired up on the different solenoids. I am familiar with the newer solenoids where the I terminal goes to the coil to bypass the ballast resistor or in GM's case most of the time the resistor wire.
Thanks for the info John and OLd.
Don

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old

12-01-2006 21:05:28




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 Re: 860 Starter Solenoid in reply to DonCam, 12-01-2006 20:33:13  
Now I can't be 100% sure on this but there should be marks as to what the 2 small posts are for. One should have an S which would go to the starter button on the tranny and I don't remember what the other one is marked but a lot of times its for either the coil to give it full 12 volts or to excite the alternator. I have seen them wired both ways

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