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Selectospeed, Bad or Good ?

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PaJay

05-08-2006 17:41:41




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I have an opportunity to purchase an early 1970s Ford 4000 gas with a good working selectospeed tranny at a reasonable price. I have heard that the selectospeeds are great when they are working. However I have heard that they are prone to problems and expensive and difficult to repair. Is this true? Thanks in advance.




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cj3b_jeep

05-10-2006 05:57:57




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I only drove one once for about an hour and loved it. I don't even remember which model it was, but it had an fel and a backhoe. The entire tractor was beat, but it ran great and the SoS worked smoothly. I can't say what they're like to own, but the operation of them is very nice



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TomTX

05-09-2006 18:43:26




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
You could take a quick quizz to see if the SoS would be good for you. Do you routinely use top quality, brand name lubricants and filters? Do you buy real brand name manuals; Operator Manual, Repair Manual and Parts Manual? Do you strickly stick to a ridgid maintenance schedule? Are you mechanically inclined, don't mind reading manuals? If you said yes to these, then get the SoS, and enjoy it.

Do you like to cheapskate on Wally World oils? Use off-brand filters? Don't read or have real manuals? If you have a manual it is an IT brans? Believe the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Believe only in doing "repairs" rather than "maintenance"? If you said yes to these, stay away from the SoS, and get yourself an old, beat up gear grinder.
Tom

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RodInNS

05-09-2006 14:44:11




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I don't think I'd be scared of a working S-O-S. If you like the tranny, go for it. That said, I wouldn't want to work with one. From my viewpoint, the S-O-S is a few steps above a 4 or 5 speed with trans PTO, about even with 5 speed with live PTO, and about 10 steps behind an 8 speed with indepandant PTO. Ford's 8 speed was just about bulletproof. It's single biggest problem was a lack of reverse ratios, so it's not a very good loader tractor, and is limited in any application which involves a lot of reversing. It's either too slow, or too fast. Otherwise, I would take that 8 speed for straight utility work or roading over any powershift or syncromesh from any manufacturer. They didn't call them a "crashbox" for nothin', but they always take the cog.

Rod

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Gaspump

05-09-2006 14:35:00




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I had a 971 and got talked out of it by my cousins that wanted a backup for a 4000 S-O-S that was the best tractor ever made to pull a bean harvester, They have never used mine that is good working order as the 4000 has never missed a bean and it is still going strong today. Hard to work on? When the Ford Fordson Collectors put on their show at Florida Flywheelers meet about 3 years ago it included a demonstration of a teardown and re-assembly of a S-O-S in about 45 minutes total time. Think he was from OH and visits this board too. Out of production parts are the only drawback I know of, got to find a source for used or rare NOS ones.

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Billy NY

05-09-2006 10:22:04




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I'll agree, we had a 64 4000 that was 10 year old when we got it, was used for mowing on the NYS Thruway, whom was good on maintenance, it still had their emblem under the paint. I ran that tractor for almost 10 years, mowing, baling hay, plowing snow, etc., seasonal work but nonetheless a fair amount of work, especially brushogging, which I did the most of with it. I did not know shite about that trans. either, but it was in excellent shape when we got it, dear ole dads good friend changed the fluid and replaced with the wrong type and she would not move, he was intimidated by the price to repair and it got sidelined, given to a good friend who added it to a row of idle equipment sitting for years, might still be be there, I ought to take a ride and see, loved that tractor, especially the independent PTO and power steering which my 850 does not have, ( well it came with PS but it's unhooked, another project ! )

I will agree that the later S-0-S's, like many other types of components and equipment that require you to learn about the correct maintenance and skills to do the work, an S-0-S transmission will perform, I don't ever recall ours being serviced often, and it never had any problems, can imagine one that is taken care of will provide years of good service.

The other thing is the following these have still, it's kept them alive, unlike other things that have no alternative except the scrap pile.

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Kcred55

05-09-2006 10:01:32




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I have the 871 Ford , Larry NCKS was refering to, When I bought the tractor , used, 25 years ago, I knew nothing about it or maintaining it. I used it in Ark, for bush hoging, if the tractor could ride down a bush or small tree, the hog had to eat it along with sand stone rocks. This tractor was used and abused,I`m not proud to say, with hardly any maintance,only oil changes in the motor. The only problem I`ve had was I lost 3 or 4 gears, I started reading this forum and learning about tractors, I took it to the Ford Dealer , would not touch it, I posted my problem on this forum and Larry answered, I hauled my tractor to him , in a busy part of the farming season . He fixed the old tractor and it works as good as new. His price to fix it was less than $100.00,
I left him a tip,expressing my thanks.
Red

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Joe(TX)

05-09-2006 05:53:14




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I love to see people say they are half the price of a standard tractor, although that is not what I have seen. They don't bring as much normally. If every one keeps saying they are junk, I can get them cheaper. It is a very good transmission when taken care of, especially the later ones. Most people have no problem buying a powershift tractor, which is what a SOS is.



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jimNCal

05-08-2006 21:03:01




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
There's only two camps is the SOS world. Those that love 'em and those that hate 'em. No real 'in-between'. There IS one jamb up authority/repairman on them on the East Coast if you ever have trouble with one tho. Get one of the later ones. The EARLY ones earned them the bad reputation and the later ones earned them the loyal following. Total mystery to me. Wouldn't have one on the place but, I'd certainly love to have a second chance at the 4000 I passed on last year.

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Leroy

05-08-2006 19:39:51




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I don't think they would be very handy for back & forth loader use, plain old field work would probably be better



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Larry NCKS

05-09-2006 04:13:21




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Leroy, 05-08-2006 19:39:51  
What????? ????? Loader work was one of their fortes!!!!! !!



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Leroy

05-09-2006 05:55:06




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Larry NCKS, 05-09-2006 04:13:21  
How when they just have that inching pedal, that you are not supposed to use, and when you have to push in and stop then push in again and repeat and that shifter is in a very akward position to see what gears you are in, do you have to shift into park every time you go from foward to reverce and every time you shift into forward do you have to go thru 1st to get to 2nd to get to 3rd to 4th to go out to dump? Just questioning as I don't understand how they could work good for that.

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Larry NCKS

05-09-2006 10:22:35




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Leroy, 05-09-2006 05:55:06  
The SOS shifter is a straight line shifter. I don't know where you got the idea that you're not supposed to use the inching pedal. That's what it's there for.

Say for instance you want to use R1 and 5 for loader work. You load the bucket in 5th, use the inching pedal, shift to R1., fether the pedal up and so on and so forth. The ratio indicator in the shifter is very visible. There is no need to go to Park until you want to park the tractor.

There are also screws available to set the shuttle ratios if you wish. I never have used them, however.

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Leroy

05-09-2006 18:33:42




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Larry NCKS, 05-09-2006 10:22:35  
Back when they first came out was told to only use that pedal in hooking up to a hitch pin or the like, never use it in starting or stoping. Was looking at a mower and dealer had it on a SOS tractor and that thing when he started to move to mow the tractor about thru you off when just using the SOS lever and it was the local Ford Tractor dealer and no we did not by the New Holland mower that we were loking at on that tractor

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Larry NCKS

05-09-2006 20:14:36




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Leroy, 05-09-2006 18:33:42  
All I can say is that I've been acquainted with the SOS since my Grandad had one of the very first 871s brand new when I was about 7 years old. I personally have owned one since 1974.

Only those who refuse to use the inching pedal would say they about got thrown out of the seat by one of these.

I'm reading that you are going mostly by what you hear about an SOS rather than from much, if any hands on actual ownership experience. Is that correct? If so, you are ill advised to offer an opinion on this unit.

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Leroy

05-10-2006 06:08:29




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Larry NCKS, 05-09-2006 20:14:36  
True I have never owned one but after riding on the new one with the dealer demenstrating the mower and with what I thought was very poor performance of that new 871 tractor it killed the deal on the mower and I know from just that experiance I would never want one and when the dealers that were supposed to be promoting the good of the unit actually promoting the bad it doesent take long for you not to want one

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Afterthought

05-10-2006 06:45:48




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Leroy, 05-10-2006 06:08:29  
When the dealer tells you they are no good for that what are you supposed to think?



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Larry NCKS

05-10-2006 09:49:42




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to Afterthought, 05-10-2006 06:45:48  
I like to think for myself sometimes! I don't always believe everything, especially what a salesman tells me.



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Larry NCKS

05-08-2006 19:11:49




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I"m another SOS fan. I have two 4000 4 cylinders and love them. I have repaired one for a fellow in the last couple years for less than $100.00. The later ones are as bullet proof as any transmission. If it feels good in all ratios warm, I"d not be too afraid of it. If you want to check it further, put pressure guages on all three servos and go through the gears.



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Ultradog MN

05-08-2006 18:49:27




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
I've heard that once you have used an SOS you will never wish to go back to a gear stick tractor.
They were really, really smooth, EZ to operate machines that even a weak girl could run.
You should also be aware of, as Old says, a couple thousand $ reduction in their value ( compared to a gear stick tractor)when it comes time to resell it. Of course if I was allowed to do a blatant and mercenary segway,

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Dean

05-08-2006 18:35:14




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
PaJay:

Many people are afraid of the SOS due largely to teething problems with the early ones and the scarcity of mechanics who can and will work on them. It is true that repairs can be expensive but that is true of most any transmission unless you do the work yourself.

The late model SOS transmissions were pretty much bullet proof so long as the oil and filter is changed periodically and the correct oil is used. The good news is that SOS tractors can usually be bought for much less than those with gear transmissions. Additionally, any tractor with the SOS will have fully independent PTO.

I have two Fords with SOSs and love them but I am no doubt in the minority. When you look over the tractor, get it fully up to operating temperature and see if it will pull in all gears. Check to see that the PTO will pull when hot as well. Check that the power steering works properly when hot as well. A rebuilt PS pump will cost $500+ and many 4000s have worn pumps.

Dean

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old

05-08-2006 18:33:19




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to PaJay, 05-08-2006 17:41:41  
Well you can figure a tractor with an SOS is worth about half what a tractor with a 4 or what ever else type tranny is. Yep if they work good there nice but when they start haveing problems there a money pit. Common price to fix one is $2000 and up depending on how bad it is



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vfirman

05-08-2006 20:52:52




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 Re: Selectospeed, Bad or Good ? in reply to old, 05-08-2006 18:33:19  
I"ve heard good and bad also. Back when autotrans was an option on cars, people were leary of them, especially pickup trucks. Yes the early ones had problems. Later on, just fine...like cars and trucks. As far as money pits, my 861 has had over $1200.00 worth repairs including one of those double clutch things. They aint cheap. The up side...If I had to pay some schmuck to do what I"ve done with my 861,(land scaping, demolition, etc) I could have bought 2 decient 861"s or 3 decient 8/9N"s with that money. Since I"ve done all repairs myself, it only cost for parts and my time. Any tractor that runs good and has the correct attachments will save you thousands. I figure mine has paid me at least twice and maybe three times the investment including the repair costs. If it died tomorrow, I couldn"t complain because I got my money back and a lot more. The down side...I do not enjoy turning wrenches on it, and I do have to do it to keep it running well (part of the deal I guess).

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