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DF

04-08-2006 18:02:43




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I recently bought a 12 volt conversion kit for my 860. I put it on today. I starts great, but the old ammeter doesn't seem to be working. It was the ammeter I used on the 6 volt system. I thought maybe I needed to reexcite the alternator. I did that but it still doesn't seem to charge on the meter. It seems like I remember someone saying I need a new voltmeter for the 12 volt. Is that correct?

Thanks for the help.

Dean

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40bill

04-10-2006 20:31:11




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
A quick way to check to see if your alt. is charging or not , is to touch the rear bushing with a screwdriver or end wrench. If it is charging the bushing will be magnetized, if not it is not charging! I realize this is not a replacement for a voltmeter, but it is a quick and easy check to use when trouble shooting! Hope this helps.
bill



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Tom Jongbloedt

04-10-2006 01:49:23




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
Hello I posted this in the wronge place the first time so I will try again this is about the RPMs The one I bought is said to charge at a much slower speed??? ***************.The tractor alt.conver.kit is advertised $65.00 with shipping****** This is a 12 volt Delco 10SI , Negative ground remanufactured alternator,

with a self-energizing,one-wire regulator.

Will energize at about 5 - 600 rpm .

Just install and connect your battery wire .

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john in la

04-09-2006 16:40:49




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
Lets see if we can walk you through this.

If you bought a tractor conversion kit you have a 3 wire alternator. Trust me!!!!! The 1 wire alternator cost all most as much as you paid for the whole kit. The 3 wire will work as a 1 wire but you have to rev the motor to get it to charge. This did not present a problem with the car this alternator fits but a tractor has a lower revving motor.

Another problem with the set up you are using is the amp gauge moves very little when charging. A tractor just does not have enough energy use (radio; lights; computers; ect.) to require large charging. This is why I recommend replacing the amp gauge with a volt gauge.

So you can check with a volt meter at the battery and see if it charges after revving (reads 13.5+ volts) and leave it a 1 wire set up OR you can change it to a 3 wire setup.

If you choose to change to a 3 wire setup you need to consider the facts of how this alternator works. Since you do not have a 801 tractor you do not have a dash idiot light which makes this system work. You could get a diode and put in in the wire where the dash light goes or use a car ignition switch.
I like the car ignition switch way better.

Read the link below and let me know if you need any more help. Near the bottom you will find a link to wiring diagrams. The car switch diagram is picture #9.

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Tom Jongbloedt

04-10-2006 00:42:47




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to john in la, 04-09-2006 16:40:49  
the alt.kit I bought.The tractor alt.conver.kit is advertised****** This is a 12 volt Delco 10SI ,

Negative ground remanufactured alternator,

with a self-energizing,one-wire regulator.

Will energize at about 5 - 600 rpm .

Just install and connect your battery wire .



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GlenIdaho

04-09-2006 14:50:13




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
DF; Check the archives of this site for 12 volt conversions. John in LA has an article that gives excellent step by step instructions. If it's a 1 wire system you can install a diode or light that will excite the alternator without having to run the rpm's up.

Good luck, Glen



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DF

04-09-2006 05:16:30




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
It is a 1 wire system. By the sounds of it, I should have a 3 wire system. How do I go about rewiring it for a 3 wire???? I can do that, just not sure what to do OR is the alternator setup only for one wire? Thanks for the help!

Dean



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Dave H (NY)

04-09-2006 04:16:50




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
Put a volt meter on the battery terminals. With the tractor off you should see around 12 volts, with it running you should see almost 14 volts. If the readings show it's charging just go over your wiring again. If its a 1 wire the rpms have to come up over 1200 minimum for the standard regulator to start to excite the system. Simplest setup for the 1 wire is from the stud on the alt to the amp meter then from the amp meter to the positive battery terminal.

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old

04-08-2006 19:40:34




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
Is the alternator a 1 wire type?? If it is you have to get the RPM up pretty high to get it to start chargeing as it should. Thats why most people say to use a 3 wire type and they start chargeing at low RPMs



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Coloken

04-08-2006 18:45:02




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 Re: 860 12 Volt Conversion in reply to DF, 04-08-2006 18:02:43  
Ammeters and volt meters are not the same. You have an ammeter and it does not care if 6 volt or 12 volt. My guess it you are not charging.



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