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Daniel Upstate

12-13-2005 09:28:08

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There is a tractor on E-Bay listed as an 860. In the writeup the seller says it is 35 hp. Is there anything that distinguishes it by looking at it other than the serial #? It is item #7570834963 on E-Bay. Thanks,
Daniel

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JDknut

12-14-2005 03:26:07

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

I had an 860 one time, it was a good rig. In gas, you're barkin' at about 45 HP.

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coschless

12-13-2005 21:07:53

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

You might still be able to go look at it this weekend, as of tonight there still aren"t any bids on it, Good Luck

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bottomboard

12-13-2005 17:29:56

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

Yes...this is a 850 series..I have one in my barn....1956 model..but its more than 35 hp...someone shoot the guy who left the seat down!

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Doug Carmean

12-13-2005 14:44:05

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

Ask the owner to go look at the numbers stamped on the bellhousing just above and behind the starter. The first set of three is the model. 640, 650, 660,or 840, 850, 860, Ect. If it is truly a 60" series, it will have a 5 speed and live pto. The set of numbers just below the model numbers will be the serial number an will tell you what year it is by comparing it to charts that are available on lots of ford tractor pages or I can look it up for you. I see a lot of fords for sale that can't possibly be what they claim. Good Luck

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Feron

12-13-2005 11:31:36

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

It look like a 860 to me. The hood postion is set like a 860. You could call the guy

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Daniel Upstate NY

12-13-2005 11:30:53

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

Thanks guys. I think ill call about it tonight. The tractor is about an hour and a half from me so i could easily pick it up with the truck and trailer. How concerned should I be about it smoking "a little"? Thanks again
Daniel

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:53:52

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 11:30:53

If it's only 90 minutes away, take this afternoon off and go see it. Take your compression tester and test every cylinder wet and dry. Minimum acceptable compression would be about 90 lbs. Any less than that and you're looking at a rebuild soon (depending on how much you're going to use it). Don't be too put off by the need for a rebuild. These were designed to be rebuilt every couple of years. I've even heard of some farmers who overhauled their tractor engines every winter as a matter of course.

You could even take your cash and your trailer. If you like the tractor you could offer him money to end the auction so you can take it home. If you don't like the tractor, the trip just saved you at least $3400!

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Daniel Upstate NY

12-13-2005 12:32:56

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:53:52

yeah I think your probably right.

Thanks Daniel

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:55:22

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also... in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:53:52

I said don't be put off by the need for an overhaul. What I forgot to add is: if it needs an overhaul, factor that into the price you're willing to pay.

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Dana in KY

12-13-2005 11:11:25

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

Looks like a 600 series to me. The 800"s had a honeycomb type grill while the 600"s had a grill like the one pictured.

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:15:18

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Dana in KY, 12-13-2005 11:11:25

You're thinking of the 801 series which began production in late '57 (as a '58 model). The '55, '56, '57 800 series had grilles exactly like the 600 series.

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soundguy

12-13-2005 11:06:58

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

800 should have the 172ci engine.. and NAA-600 should have the 134ci engine. 35hp is more like the (optimistic?) engine hp for the 134ci. I'd guess the 172 is more like 40 engine hp... Not counting if it is a diesel.. to which i'd guess 45-48 hp...

Soundguy

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:16:38

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to soundguy, 12-13-2005 11:06:58

The diesel was not offered until the x01 series in '58. Also, I think the auction states this is a gas tractor.

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soundguy

12-13-2005 11:41:31

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:16:38

Yep.. I was just ramblin.. I guess an 801 diesel could be dropped in an 800 chassie though?

Still.. his is gas.. I guess that's enough speculation for one message (GRIN).

Soundguy

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:05:28

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 09:28:08

I've heard that the 600 series hood was positioned a little lower than the 800. The result is that the steering wheel seems to stick up more on a 600. The pictures on that auction don't show a lot of detail, but the steering wheel doesn't seem to stick up above the dash too much so I'd lean toward a 800 series.

Other clues that you might ask the seller to clarify would be the number on the hood emblem. I can't tell from the pic if it says 600 or 800. Also, the engine block casting number will start with "EAE" if it's a 134 cubic inch engine. It will start with "EAF" if it's a 172 engine. The code is on the right side of the block.

The serial number will not tell you the model or series, but that info will be stamped just above the serial number in the same location.

I believe a true expert (not me) can tell the difference between an 800 and a 600 by the size and shape of the rear differential housing. Hopefully another expert will explain the details of that.

I'd like an 860 but PA is too far away for me.

Auction link

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Gaspump

12-13-2005 11:41:26

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:05:28

Jim the 860's had the larger gear(16"?) and housing in the rear end. Still hard to determine by the photos. I, like you lean toward it being a 860, I'm looking for one too but it's a little too far north of FL. By the way nice original optional front bumper, those came out in '53 I believe.

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Daniel Upstate NY

12-13-2005 11:34:37

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:05:28

If it is an 860, how much do you think it is worth? Givin I cant even here it run till after i own it.
Thanks Daniel

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Jim.UT

12-13-2005 11:46:24

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 11:34:37

Well the fact you have to take a chance makes it worth maybe less than if you could thoroughly check it out before deciding. I think the current bid of $3400 is pretty close to as much as I would risk on that basis.

Now if I could check it out, drive it, hook up a heavy implement and lift it, hook up a pto implement (mower etc) and verify the dual clutch is working properly, then I think it could be worth as much as $4500 although the surface rust may take some shine off the value.

I'd lots rather get one a little rusty looking but fully functional than a pig with fresh paint.

You're lots closer to PA than I am. Are you sure it's not worth a trip to check out?

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Daniel Upstate NY

12-13-2005 11:50:17

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Jim.UT, 12-13-2005 11:46:24

I would love to go check it ou but the auction ends thursday and i couldnt go and look at it till the weekend.

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Daniel Upstate NY

12-13-2005 11:44:11

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 11:34:37

I meant "hear" it run, not here it run. (haha)

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BruceR TN

12-14-2005 18:36:23

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Re: 860 or 660? in reply to Daniel Upstate NY, 12-13-2005 11:44:11

My 2 cents worth...price seems high if it "smokes a little. If only on startup it may be okay. Rear rims look fairly new but left front wheel looks a bit rough...had to replace my front rims due to "a little" rust around the valve stem area that punctured the tube. You might let the auction end and offer a lower amount ($2500-$3000?). That's what it would go for around here assuming everything works.

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