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Correct Starter Relay

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1st801

03-05-2005 11:39:41




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I am trying to locate the part or part number for the proper starter relay for a 12V diesel 801. I want to use starter button on trans. topcase. Cannot convince my local dealer that the relay used on cars or trucks is not the same.




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Joe(TX)

03-10-2005 09:37:16




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to 1st801, 03-05-2005 11:39:41  
Tell the parts man to look in his book for an isolated ground relay. The automotive ones are case ground relays. The diesel 801's used a 12v relay, and are available at the dealers.



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Kelly Jewell (KY)

03-06-2005 17:55:18




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to 1st801, 03-05-2005 11:39:41  
John is exactly correct. Same switch on your diesel cold start except I post is grounded. Ford changed both 6V and 12V relays in 1958 making the starter non operative unless the key was in the on position . Thanks, Kelly.



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TONY JACOBS

03-06-2005 18:13:20




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 Hey Kelly decals ? in reply to Kelly Jewell (KY), 03-06-2005 17:55:18  
Hi Kelly , Can you email I have a question about your decals. Thanks Tony Jacobs



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Jerry L /AZ

03-05-2005 14:43:09




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to 1st801, 03-05-2005 11:39:41  
Hew Holland part # 311006 $11.85 Just bought one. can not use an automotive relay the windings are different. hope that helps you ..... Jer



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Richard H.

03-05-2005 16:11:45




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to Jerry L /AZ, 03-05-2005 14:43:09  
Jer, could you enlighten me on the difference please? Respectfully , Richard



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john in la

03-05-2005 16:45:25




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to Richard H., 03-05-2005 16:11:45  
Richard;
The car and tractor relay are different.
Both the big plugs are the same as one gets the battery cable and the other gets the cable to the starter. The difference is in the small plugs and how they work.

In the tractor relay power is hooked from the terminal block (power with key on side) to the "I" terminal. Goes into relay wire windings and out the "S" terminal which gets hooked to the starter button on the trans. When you push the trans starter button you complete the circuit. Power flows through the relay heating the wire windings causing the plunger in the relay to move connecting the battery to the starter.

In the car relay the starter button goes between the terminal block and the relay. In this set up you hook the wire to the "S" terminal. This is hooked to the wire windings in the relay and then internally to the relay case for the ground. The "I" terminal gets hooked to the coil bypassing the external coil resistor. When you push the starter button it sends power to the "S" terminal; through the wire windings and then to case ground. This heats the wire moving the plunger to connect the battery to the starter and the "I" terminal. This starts the car and at the same time sends the full 12v's to the coil to assist in starting.

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Richard H.

03-06-2005 09:34:59




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to john in la, 03-05-2005 16:45:25  
Thanks for the answer John,
Thru all that typing you did, I think what your
saying is Automotive is Voltage relay Tractor is current relay... I would never had thought about it being done differently in those times. Sure says you can"t judge a relay by it"s cover!



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Richard H.

03-05-2005 12:04:53




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to 1st801, 03-05-2005 11:39:41  
Well.. I would use one,, like a 60"s or so 12 v. 4 post.



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txblu

03-06-2005 06:18:48




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 Re: Correct Starter Relay in reply to Richard H., 03-05-2005 12:04:53  
Richard, read my reply to the STARTER RELAY question just above this. You need the 4 post and the 2 small posts MUST be isolated from not only the other 2, but also the mounting bracket.

NAPA has a relay catalog with wiring diagrams to show you what the circuit looks like.

The NH sounds like a good price. Might take your ohmmeter with you and check the circuit to insure that it is what you want.

Mark

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