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01-03-2005 17:59:02




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When I operate in 4th or 5th gear I get a lot of gear whine, is this normal?
Also the fuel shutoff valve is leaking some around the shutoff screw. The parts break down shows that there is a valve seal, can this be replaced? If so is it a standard part/o-ring?

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ken in wisconsin

01-04-2005 13:01:33




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to clip, 01-03-2005 17:59:02  
I get gear whine with my 860 in 4th and 5th gear too. I don't think this is anything to worry about as long as the fluid is up to spec. level.



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john in la

01-04-2005 07:33:18




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to clip, 01-03-2005 17:59:02  
The seal you see in the parts breakdown is the o-ring that seals the valve to the tank. While you should replace this o-ring every time you take the valve off the tank it will only repair leaks from between the valve and the tank.

If your valve is leaking in such a way that you can not shut it off all the way to replace the fuel filter or such you should replace the valve. The valve has a machine fit to allow it to stop the flow. If it will not shut off this machined fit is pitted and there is not much you can do with it.

Now if your valve is leaking fuel around the shut off screw like yours is we can help you. The valve was made not to be serviced. Several of us were talking one day about the fact of the valves leaking. Even if you replaced it with a new one they were made so bad that within a week or two it was leaking also.
Then someone got the idea to try and rebuild this valve. I wish I could remember who so I could give credit where credit is due but I can not. Any way it worked for him so we have all been repairing our valves. Just follow the instructions below and if you need some more help let us know.

This is probably more info than you needed or wanted but it explains the Why/How for others.

Also if your trans is winning in high gears it may be the speed of the gears. 4th and 5th does make a little more noise than the others but not much. I would think if the noise is bad enough for you to ask about it you have a bearing going bad in the trans. The thing I would want to know is what type of oil is in the trans?? Have you changed it lately to make sure it is not contaminated with water??? Is the trans oil level full???

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clip

01-04-2005 16:24:33




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to john in la, 01-04-2005 07:33:18  
Thanks for the info. The valve seems to shut off just fine, so I will follow the procedure for removing the screw and replacing the o-ring.

I have 80/90 in the trans and I just checked the level. I have a slow leak that comes from the trans through the bottom of the center housing which I assume is from one of the output shaft seals. I need to split the tractor and replace the seal. The one thing that sticks in my mind is when I bought the tractor I changed all of the fluids and I removed several pieces of metal out of the rear end. The pieces looked like sections of a thin washer/shim/spacer. I looked in the parts break down and didn't see anything like that in the rear end.

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john in la

01-05-2005 08:32:20




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to clip, 01-04-2005 16:24:33  
Since you have changed the fluid and removed any water that may be in trans I would leave it alone. If the noise seams to be getting worse over time or suddenly stops I would then be concerned.
While I have never been in one of these rear ends I would think it has shims between the ring gear and chunk case. They use shims to adjust the side ways position of the gear to set the preload correctly. Again I would not worry unless it starts to whine badly.

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Gary Puckett

01-03-2005 20:23:58




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to clip, 01-03-2005 17:59:02  
From the archives
I just did this myself

john in la 11-30-2004 02:29:26
66.157.57.126

Rebuild yours and save your money.

Look on the bottom of the valve and you will see a brass drift pin. This pin holds the shut off screw from coming all the way out. You can try prying it out with a knife but that may or may not work.

What I did was to grind the head off the pin so I could see the actual size of the pin. I then drilled out the pin with the correct size drill bit. Once you get the pin out you can back the shut off screw out all the way. You will see a slot on the screw where the pin fits into. There will also be a o-ring on the end of the screw. Replace this o-ring with a new one. Make sure the o-ring is fat enough to protrude out from the screw a little so it can seal. Install the shut off screw back in the valve and put it at about half way from closed to open. This will line up the pin slot with the pin hole. I used a #12 screw in place of the drift pin. You want it long enough that it fits in the shut off screw slot but does not touch the screw. I used washers to adjust the length of the #12 screw.

If it ever starts to leak again you just take out the #12 screw and back the shut off screw out and replace the o-ring again. Total cost is less than $1.00 for the #12 screw and a o-ring.

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Gav-n-Tn

01-03-2005 19:55:41




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 Re: 860 questions in reply to clip, 01-03-2005 17:59:02  
I'll give you my opinion about the fuel shut off: If you fix it, let me know how you done it without replacing it(in detail). I think you'll find, in the end, they're not made to rig or repair.



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