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jerry L /az

11-11-2004 11:06:15




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How do you remove the retaining collar? the book shows a jig to drill ahole in the retaining collar then split it with a chisel. is there another way? I would like to replace the brake backing plates as both are tore up and rusted out. any Ideas on where I can get the backing plates? thanks for your help ..... ..Jer




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tom n

11-15-2004 17:31:43




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 Re: Ford 800 axel in reply to jerry L /az, 11-11-2004 11:06:15  
My 2 cents, I also just did this job. i needed the right rear backing plate because the steel arm that holds the shoes in alignment broke,and i really need the brakes for hilly backhoe work. anyway got my plate from wengers for $90 i think. Let me state a few things because after you complete this job you'll be an expert as well (!) 1st, i highly recommend getting the whole axle assembly from wengers.Check the price for used of course.I think the whole thing was like $70 more but not so fast!!! you'll spend close to $50 if you get the parts seperate.The cone alone is$30. If you dont choose that route plan on some time to make those pullers etc. But by all means get the new collar 1st! Its exactly 1" thick and my recomm. is this.put a piece of tape 1" down from the drill bit, start with a 1/4" bit 1st.make a row,starting close to the axle. However, try to stay away from the axle as you will quickly lose "feel" as to where the drill bit is.and you'll have a tendency to wander up close to the axle, DONT DO THAT. when you get a hole or 2 away from the axle you can wander, that is angle the bit back and forth to take out the middle by creating oblong holes. You'll be anxious to grab the chisel at this point but dont,instead, do the same directly across on the other side of the collar. By taking close care NOT TO TOUCH THE AXLE,NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. After you've drilled more steelaway than is left to the collar (at least thats how it feels)take a 1/2 inch chisel and slam away.By doing this you are accomplishing 2 things, 1...you are relieving most of the pressure off of the axle but not actually touching it. and 2....you are giving a spot on the other end of the collar for it to split much easier. Bring a bunch of drill bits and leave the lug nuts 1/2 way on the lugs because you will damage the threads if you dont. If you get that far i still have the threaded make-shift bolts to back out the bearing i can mail you if you'd like or/and my phone number for more advise sorry about the length Tom N

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skycarp (UT)

11-11-2004 22:47:20




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 Re: Ford 800 axle Bearing Ratainer in reply to jerry L /az, 11-11-2004 11:06:15  
Jerry,

I just did the job you are planning. I drilled, chiseled, and then I used the torch to cut through the last piece of collar remaining against the axle. I did burn a small crease in the axle where the collar contacts the axle but that isn’t a problem. The area on the axle I burned a crease is where the new collar shrinks against when it cools. But be careful. Actually, the collar will come off even if you do not cut all the way through. You are relieving tension against the axle when you drill it. Your puller should be in place with tension on it as you are drilling and cutting. Check it often by taking up a turn or so.

I would agree with Jim that you should plan on replacing outer and inner seals, the bearing cone and cup, along with the collar.

I would suggest that you turn the axles in a lathe and polish the surface where the outer and inner seals ride before re-installing. I can assure you that the surfaces will be pitted.

I would suggest that you have all the new parts in place before you attempt the removal of the collars. You will see the depth of the collar is and will know how deep to drill. Off hand I would say the collar is more than two inches in depth.

I replaced my backing plates also as the drums had worn them bad. They are not the same on both sides. Be sure to mark your old ones, left and right to get the new ones back on the same. And be sure to order one each, left and right backing plates.

I got a used backing plate from Tanty Tractor in Southern California for $50. He has several 100 series tractors he is parting out. Call him at 1-800-305-2399. He is easy to talk to and knows his Fords.

The one he sent me was not the same as the one I took off. It didn't have the channel for the dust seal. It must have been off an older ford, unlike my 801. Be sure to require that the backing plates you buy are identical to the one you are taking off. The only difference I could see in them was the channel for the felt dust seal.

Brake shoes come two to a box but you should order the total number of shoes you need, i.e. 4 shoes. The kits to install the new brakes come one kit to a side so you should order two kits.

Look closely at the wheel studs and bearing retainer bolts. Now is the time to replace them if any are broken or damaged. A press should be used to press them out.

For my puller, I couldn't find 9/16" all-thread so I used two 9/16 soft steel rods (rebar should work) cut to length, with a 9/16" fine thread nut welded on one end and a 9/16" bolt welded on the other end. I then used a standard saddle puller with the bolts up through the legs of the puller and the center of the puller on the end of the axle to pull the retainer off the axle. I spent more time making the puller than doing the job! A picture is worth a 1000 words. I could rig up the puller tomorrow and take a picture if you would like.

Do grease the bearings well before installing. This is all the lubrication they get for the rest of their life! Do not over heat the collar to expand it. It should just start to get red, (black-red) not cherry red. Otherwise excess heat may melt the bearing grease or worse, damage the rubber in the inner seal.

This is way too long, but more info is better than not enough.

Good luck.

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RICKWI

11-11-2004 17:21:09




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 Re: Ford 800 axel in reply to jerry L /az, 11-11-2004 11:06:15  
The little Dremel tool with a small cutoff disc can do a surprising job on close quarter cutting jobs. I've got backing plates, but John in Colorado will have some too and probably others that are a lot closer. How do backing plates rust out in AZ?



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Jerry L /az

11-11-2004 20:01:27




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 Re: Ford 800 axel in reply to RICKWI, 11-11-2004 17:21:09  
Hi Rick, sorry, I cant answer that one, about the rust. I just bought it. as for John in colo. every time I e-mail him. it gets returned. drop me an e-mail I'm interested in the backing plates. you would have to see this thing to believe it she has really been abused. chat with you later Jer



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Jim.UT

11-11-2004 15:40:02




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 Re: Ford 800 axel in reply to jerry L /az, 11-11-2004 11:06:15  
A drill and a chisel and lots of time and patience is the way I removed mine. I've heard of guys doing it with a torch, but I'm afraid of accidentally torching my axle (I have no experience with a torch). When you're done you'll need to replace more than the brake backing plates. The metal shavings from the removal process will ruin the bearing and bearing cup. If you're going to that much work, plan on replacing your brake shoes, bearings and axle seals. The extra cost of the other parts isn't a big deal compared to the labor it takes to get to those parts again later.

I didn't have the special jig they show in the manual, just a 1/2" hand drill and a new small sharp chisel and a big hammer. The bearing carrier puller shown in the manual can be duplicated using readily available stuff in your garage or the hardware store. If you get serious about doing it, email me and I'll fill you in on how to make the bearing puller.

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Jery L /az

11-11-2004 20:05:26




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 Re: Ford 800 axel in reply to Jim.UT, 11-11-2004 15:40:02  
Hi Jim, yes I'm interested in the puller. chat with you later Jer



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