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850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in.

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cab

04-26-2004 10:29:21




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My ford 850 has a pto problem. Push in the clutch and try to engage the pto lever and all it does is grind; Shut it down then shift the lever and it will go in. Start the tractor and it will immediately start turning with or without the clutch in (This is with a brush hog attached). What's going on? I just bought this tractor.

thanx.




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Dave H (NY)

04-27-2004 16:17:51




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
It is most likely an 860 I have both an 850 and an 860 and have the same situation with the 860 if the rpms are to low it wil grind when going in and out of PTO engagement if I raise the rpms to wher the PTO is supposed to work 540 rpm it goes in or out with no trouble or grind. Be sure the linkage is set to the correct length and the clevis at the end of the rod is in the correct hole and all should be fine, you also may find that trying to engage the PTO at a differant rpm may solve the grind.

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cab

04-27-2004 11:43:03




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
Does the 860 have 2 clutch linkages or just one going into the case ???



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paul

04-27-2004 21:09:27




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 Re: Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in reply to cab, 04-27-2004 11:43:03  
One.

What is the model number stamped on the lobe under the air cleaner?

If you have an 850, either both pto & tranny will grind, or neither will - same clutch, has to work exactly the same. If you have the tranny quiet shifting & the pto not shifting, just can't make sense with a single-stage.... That I can see.

--->Paul



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txblu

04-27-2004 09:44:05




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
dunno about any brake but here is how it looks from here.

2 senario's 850 or 860 if I understand the fb. 860 is Live.

850: If input shaft to tranny is turning the wheels are turning unless it is in Neutral. But the PTO shaft is geared to the input shaft and it turns as long as the input shaft turns. The output shaft (at the rear of the tractor) only turns when you slide the PTO coupling over the PTO input shaft (PTO output shaft from the tranny)with the PTO ON/OFF lever.

1. Can't be a clutch problem as no mention of tractor ground velocity "won't stop when in gear".

2. Can't be an output coupling problem as the clutch is obviously disconnecting the tranny from the engine's flywheel...otherwise you'd experience problem #1. With the tranny PTO shaft stopped the yoke should slide freely over the shaft or a slight nudge with slight amount of clutch to line up the splines would do the trick.

Conclusion: Tractor is not an 850


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860: Live PTO, 2 clutches, half pedal works the ground speed clutch, full depression works the PTO clutch.

As stated in other responses, the clutch linkage needs to be tightened (shortened) to increase pressure on backing plate to allow PTO clutch pressure plate to release the clutch disc. Not having a problem with ground speed as there is plenty of pedal travel after it functions; not the case with PTO.

Common problem with linkages and I guess springs get weak and relax and it takes more pressure to open the gap.

my 2c.

txblu

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Big Chris

04-28-2004 18:41:03




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 Re: Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in reply to txblu, 04-27-2004 09:44:05  
Well I dont know bout ya'll but to me it sounds like ole txblu , has solved the mystery here. Tx , you one bad mofo



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txblu

04-29-2004 09:53:04




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 Re: Re: Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clu in reply to Big Chris, 04-28-2004 18:41:03  
Thank you sir.

I try to understand how things work so if I have a problem, all I have to do is follow the workings until something is out of place, missing, or doesn't make sense. Works for me. These forums on this site are a good place for me to get that education.

txblu



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Bob Jarvis

04-27-2004 06:45:05




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
Had a similar problem with my Ford 3000 last year. Dealer thought it was a bad clutch, but turned out to just need to have the rod that connects the clutch pedal to the clutch mechanism adjusted (lengthened).



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fordblood

04-26-2004 19:15:12




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
I suspect you have an 860 and the clutch rod clevis need to be put in the next hole back so the PTO clutch will disengage at the bottom of the pedal stroke.Of course I've guessed wrong before.



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RogerC

04-26-2004 18:23:32




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
Sounds like the PTO clutch disc isn't releasing. I would check the pedal linkage first, making sure you have enough "loaded travel" to fully disengage the clutch. If that's okay the disc may be stuck to the pressure plates.



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paul

04-26-2004 19:32:16




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 Re: Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in reply to RogerC, 04-26-2004 18:23:32  
I had that type of answer all typed out too a few hours ago, and erased it. An 850 has a single clutch, so it doesn't make sense - if he can shift the tractor between gears, the same clutch lets him shift the pto. Almost has to be a mis-identified tractor, but I donno. Was hoping others would have a clue on this one.

--->Paul



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hay

04-26-2004 12:12:11




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 Re: 850 pto wont stop turning with the clutch in. in reply to cab, 04-26-2004 10:29:21  
sounds like the pto brake needs adjusting or replaced. my ford 4000 does the same thing.



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