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Makeminecountry

03-09-2004 15:29:44




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What are you fellas opinion of a Ford 4400 Industrial with a loader? Both in good condition. The engine is gas driven. Everything works as it should. What would be a good ball-park price to pay?

Thanks in advance.




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Gary Schafer

03-10-2004 08:31:51




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 Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Makeminecountry, 03-09-2004 15:29:44  
I have a 4400 utility with an 8 speed manual transmission and independent pto. Same as the industrial but a little lighter front axle. The utility has a heavier front axle than the regular 4000 tractors.

I have the loader too. I bought it without any 3 point on the back and added it. It cost about $1000.00 to $1200.00 for the parts to add the 3 point setup.

They are very nice tractors. Should be worth from $4000.00 to $6500.00 depending on condition.

Check if it has a pto and or 3 point lift. If not that will reduce the price considerably.

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Gary

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Makeminecountry

03-10-2004 13:16:37




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 Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-10-2004 08:31:51  
It is in good condition with wheel and back weights and industrial loader. It has the 3 point. It is only worth $6500 tops?

MMC



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Gary Schafer

03-10-2004 17:05:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Makeminecountry, 03-10-2004 13:16:37  
I am no expert on price. A dealer may ask around $7500 to $8500 for one in nice shape. I haven't seen them at any dealer but just going by similar tractors that they price that way.

Depending on where you are located will depend on price somewhat too.
I would probably not pay over $7000 tops for one.

If it has a selecto speed transmission (automatic) I wouldn't pay over $4000 for the same in nice shape.

Be sure it has a PTO too. Sometimes they came without that.
Check the year too. It should be a 3 cylinder motor. I don't think that the 4400 was made before 1965 when the 4000's were 4 cylinder.

Year should be 1965 - 1974

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Gary

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MakeMineCountry

03-11-2004 14:48:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-10-2004 17:05:09  
The 4400 I am considering buying is around 50(?) horsepower. But, Gary Schafer, it does not have a PTO. Can you install a PTO on one that has no PTO from the factory? Or, are you stuck with not having a PTO?

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MMC



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Gary Schafer

03-11-2004 17:32:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to MakeMineCountry, 03-11-2004 14:48:02  
I am drawing a blank about the horse power right now. I think it is somewhere around 52 hp.

You might want to think twice about the tractor if it does not have a pto. Unless you buy it to use mainly as a loader tractor. It is very nice for that.

You might be able to add a pto but it could get very expensive. Check to see where the hydraulic pump for the 3 point lift is. It will either be on the left rear of the engine with pipes running over the top of the engine and back to the right side of the transmission near the back of where your foot rests. There will be a round plate about 8 inches in diameter or so that the pipes from the pump attach to and go inside to operate the lift.

If it has the pump on the left side of the engine like that then the pto that it would take would be a live pto. You would have to replace the clutch with a 2 stage one and probably add some shafts and gears to bring the power back to the transmission for the pto. You may even have to change the transmission main shaft. Lots of parts.
It is possible that they put the 2 stage clutch and shafts in and all you have to do is put in a pto shaft. Probably not that lucky though.

The other setup would be for an independent pto. There would be no pump on the left rear of the engine. There would be a plate in its place. About 4 or 5 inches by about 2 inches.

The pump would be mounted in that 8 inch hole on the right rear of the transmission where I said that the lines went with the engine mount pump. This pump is all internal. Not much sticks out. It will have a small pipe running up to the flow control assembly above it. This is a dual pump. 2 pumps in one. A larger pump that runs the 3 point lift and a smaller one that runs a hydraulic clutch for the independent pto.
It will also have the internal shaft from the engine coming back that drives the pump and also drives the pto shaft. It would probably be an easier job to add a pto on this setup.

You would need the hydraulic clutch that goes under the top lift cover and the pto shaft and maybe not much else. Not sure.

Check the model number and look it up. That will tell you how it was built. If it had a pto originally or not.

If it has the rear of the engine pump I think I would pass on the tractor unless the price is right and you don't need a pto.

Don't confuse this pump with the front end loader pump. That pump is located on the front crank shaft of the engine and only runs the loader.

How much are they asking for the tractor?

Look here for under production codes and model numbers.
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Hope this helps.

Regards
Gary

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MakeMineCountry

03-11-2004 18:54:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-11-2004 17:32:15  
He is asking $4800. It is nice. It would make a good landscape, dirt moving or concrete work tractor I believe.

Thanks for all the info.

MMC



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blboy

03-10-2004 19:05:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-10-2004 17:05:09  
I have just purchased a 4400 with a loader 3-point hook up and pto...3 cyl. gas selectamatic. It needs some work and I don't know if I want to restore it or not. Are they good tractors or not?
someone told me it was a 40 horse but I do not think it is that big..,Can anyone help me out with this?...., Thanks



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Gary Schafer

03-11-2004 18:26:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to blboy, 03-10-2004 19:05:51  
They are excellent tractors. I have heard that the select o speed transmissions get expensive to repair. If you get a good one I hear that they can be great. The rest of the tractor I know is great. Mine has the 8 speed manual transmission.

I think the horsepower is 52 if it is a latter model. From 1965 to mid 1968 they had 192 cu inch engines and I think they were something like 46 or 48 horse. In mid 1968 they put the 201 cu inch engine in them. Same size as the diesel block and I am pretty sure they were rated at 52 hp.
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Gary

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Jim Colligan

04-02-2004 11:31:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ford 4400 Industrial in reply to Gary Schafer, 03-11-2004 18:26:13  
In the process of buying a Ford 4400 tractor and doing on line research ("Google" using "Ford 4400 tractor") I found a Ford Tractor Company paper called AD-5244 68950 that lists the Ford 4000 (same engine as the 4400 I think) with the 201 ci engine at 2200 rpm develops 56.5 hp with the gas engine and 57 hp with the diesel. These figures listed are net flywheel hp there are also lower hp ratings for pto and drawbar not that any really matter as the 4400 seems to be a great tractor with adequate power. I am new here and if this is wrong it isn't my first mistake.
Regards,
Jim

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