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Joe

10-22-2003 07:12:42

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I am currently looking at 2 tractors, an 860 with a loader and a 961 with wide front end. I plan to use the tractor in the woods in a hilly area. Is there a signifacant difference in the roll over risk with the 961 because of its higher center of gravity (8-10 inches)? The 961 is a better deal but I am leary of it because of the height.
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mike s.

10-22-2003 13:16:19

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Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Joe, 10-22-2003 07:12:42

I just became the proud owner of a 960 with a wide front end. I have been using it cleaning up a semi wooded area that has some pretty steep banks around the edges, the tractor seems to be really stable on those steep banks. Gotta use common sense however. I would agree with the wheels extended out that should give you even more stabality. I do not have any extra wheel weights or calcium in the tires.

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Dan

10-22-2003 11:10:59

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Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Joe, 10-22-2003 07:12:42

I have a 960 with the narrow front end and you couldn't get me to swap you for a wide front end. I like being able to turn around on a dime. I also use mine on hills. I think what you have to keep in mind is while the 960 is a little bit taller, the weight is still mostly in the wheels if you have them filled (and you should)so I don't think the rollover factor is much differnet between them. Just remember, they all can roll over if you go too far, and just for the record, I can bury mine deeper than the 800 series guys can.... and have...lol

Dan

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paul

10-23-2003 10:25:13

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Re: Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Dan, 10-22-2003 11:10:59

We had 2 960's, one narrow front for the front mount cultivator, and one with the Schwartz wide front. Both had advatages. I'm _sure_ glad dad kept the wide front. But I guess you don't do any hay - narrow fronts just don't work as well for hay.

I'm glad I have an Ollie s77 with narrow front, can easily back up wagons with that. But otherwise, turning so short generally just makes a divet in the sod and means I didn't plan where I was headed properly..... ;)

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paul

10-22-2003 09:03:00

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Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Joe, 10-22-2003 07:12:42

I have a 960 with a Schwartz wide front end. I have 6 other tractors. The 960 is the most stable one, I use it for mowing road ditches & the water ditch bank. I find it very low in center of gravity compared to the Ollie S77, IHC H & 300, Ford TW-20, 7700, and 1720.

The biggest thing is - fluid in the back tires. I have fluid in the 960, and it makes way more difference than anything else. Just anchors the rear end. Aslo moving the wheels out makes a great deal of difference.

I have no experience with an 800 series Ford, but as the other person says, the 960 seems very stable to me. I have some hills that make me nervious way up on the combine, and with the ditches I have some experience with hills. :) Living on a farm with row crops, we have no use for a low, unajustable tractor. ;)

Be careful, and no one can say what is best for your particular situation.

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Bob Spooner

10-22-2003 08:38:17

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Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Joe, 10-22-2003 07:12:42

Joe, I'm a complete newbie to this tractor thing too, so my comments are worth what you paid for them. I, too, was in exactly the same decision boat as you. I decided to go with the 960 (wide front). It was in good shape, the seller is a Ford fanatic 5 miles from my home, and everything worked.

I thought about the higher center of gravity thing too. And the wheelbase is longer.

I happened to talk to an old forester in my area that used a row crop for years, skidding logs. He liked the taller tractor for the extra ground clearance.

I have had my tractor in the woods a lot already, and the clearance is a great help. You can drive right over huge stumps and rocks that would stop an 860.

I think that I would take the 960 on anything that I would take a 860 on. I have found that my, "oh sh*t" alarm goes off way before the tractor will go over (so far).

Good luck. This tractor is my first, and I already see why so many of these guys end up with a yard full of them. They are just the coolest machines!

Bob

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Dan Robertson

10-22-2003 07:27:47

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Re: 860 vs 961 WF on hills in reply to Joe, 10-22-2003 07:12:42

A 961 w. wide front would be pretty stable on hills I would think. You could always move the wheels out wider if it made you uneasy driving it on the slopes. Dan Robertson

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