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Stan Mayberry

09-30-2006 16:27:32




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Need to know how to change oil in the rear end of a Massey Ferguson 65 series




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Jeff-oh

10-03-2006 05:20:36




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 Re: changing oil in reply to Stan Mayberry, 09-30-2006 16:27:32  
Stan,

Here is the procedure I used on my MF-65.

To refill you will need ~7 gallons of oil. Check NAPA"s price, ask for PN 65-205. That is a 5-gallon bucket of the GL-1 oil. (Note 27 quarts of oil for a standard transmission or 25 quarts for a multi-power transmission)

Cleaning procedure
There are two drain plugs and one filler hole. Note the fill slow at the end comment. As the filler hole is in the front of the case and the dipstick is at the rear. Only fill with five to six gallons, then fill 1 quart at a time with a couple to 5 min. wait between quarts. This gives the fluid some time to level out so that it can be read on the dipstick. The first time I changed my oil I overfilled by more than a gallon, I had oil coming out the axils on the breaks... what a mess.

This is a job you do not want to do too often, so plan it right. Determine all the maintenance that needs to be accomplished while the transmission is drained. (PTO seal, Pump repairs, Hydro leak fixes, axial seals etc) Get the parts and get them done while you can.

If your old fluid is water contaminated (milky) use the following:
This is the procedure I used to clean my transmission oil housing. You will need to wash out the old fluid. Any remaining fluid will contaminate the new fluid. If you have time in the evenings start to drain the tractor now. She will drip for hours/days.
You should also be prepared to deal with the gallons of fluids you the will gush out of the tractor. Have containers ready to pour the old oil in to take to your auto parts store for recycling.

Do your lift arms drop/leak down quickly? If so prior to draining the fluid pull the right and left side inspection plates. Lift an implement and look to see where the fluid is leaking out of the system as the lift lowers. Then you can repair/replace the required parts without the fluid in the way.

I would also recommend the you replace the PTO seal and O-ring seal if needed at this time and replace the inspection plate gaskets. The inspection plate gaskets are fairly easy to cut yourself if you need to.

Open the drains one at a time to handle the gush of fluid. Once you have gone through all of them open them all up again with a pan under each and let it drip at least over night. Make sure your lift control is in the down position to drain the piston.

You should plan on "Washing/Flushing" out the inside, particularly if you have water in the oil... i.e. if brown/milky. To wash the inside use either kerosene or diesel. (Note: It is generally recommended and I agree: DO NOT operate the tractor with your cleaning fluid in the transmission) I put mine in a garden sprayer and sprayed the insides down. I put the garden sprayer nozzle everywhere I can, up the PTO shaft opening, if you pulled it. Through the Filler hole, through the inspection ports, through each drain plug. I catch the diesel in clean oil pans let it settle then decant the "clean" fluid off the sludge and spray again, and again. Go have a beer and let it drain. I then wipe out the bottom with clean paper towels to get the crud out. (do not use cheap towels here you do not want them falling apart). If your fluid had water in it, the "Milky" oil will continue to appear for a while, I just came back and wiped it out again, and again until gone.

This is a good time to do other maintenance. Grease the fittings, Pull the air filter and clean it.

Be sure to do the diesel flush with good ventilation. The fumes are powerful.

Button her back up with your new seals and fill. Toward the end fill slowly... i.e. quart or 1/2 liter per 5 to 10 minutes, to let it all even out in the sumps. The first time I changed the oil I did not do this and I over filled by a gallon and a half. And because I did not wash out the back that gallon and a half was now water contaminated and useless.

You will be glad you did this when it is done.

Jeff

P.S. As you have a MF-65 this is also an ideal time to change the oil in the axel planataries. Either open the drain plug is so equipped or insert a plastic tube and siphon the oil out. Refill with one US quart each. This oil rarely got changed, thus if you do it may not need to be done again, subject to your usage of course.

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John (UK)

10-01-2006 06:38:47




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 Re: changing oil in reply to Stan Mayberry, 09-30-2006 16:27:32  
Get the oil warm so it will drain easily, two drain plugs, one straight below the gear levers on left side, second one on left side bottom below the seat. Fill through filler plug next to gear levers. takes 8 US galls of GL1-90W or 15W/30 Multi-grade oil. The plugs are magnetic and collect all the metal bits floating around, clean them. Clean around the oil filler too before you take the plug out so no crud will fall in. Leave it draining for a couple of hours to get it all out. Multi-grade will be better if you are in a cold winter climate as it wont get as thick as GL1 type oil.

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Randyr

10-03-2006 17:16:46




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 Re: changing oil in reply to John (UK), 10-01-2006 06:38:47  
Hi John. When you say 15w30 multigrade oil, do you mean engine oil? Would 15w40 diesel engine oil that we have here be ok? Or maybe 20w50?
I saw a chart that compares gear oil grades with engine oil grades, and 80w90 gear is fairly close to 20w50 engine oil.
Here's the chart:
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Thanks!



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John (UK)

10-06-2006 11:10:35




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 Re: changing oil in reply to Randyr, 10-03-2006 17:16:46  
Yes I do mean engine oil, I spoke to Castrol Oil about this last year and they told me what they recommended instead of GL1-90W and that was 15W-30. I think that 20W-50 may be too heavy for winter use in the hydraulics, but 15W-40 would be ok. We were looking for a lighter oil that was more suitable for use in cold climates, as we know some of you do have problems in extreme cold temperatures and we are hoping that this is going to solve this problem for you.
Sorry for the delay in replying but I have been laid up in bed for a couple of days with a bug of some kind.

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