Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Classified & Photo Ads

Buyer and Seller Feedback - Pictures of the 4010 block

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
uoflncolts

01-12-2006 20:18:30




Report to Moderator

This is for everybody that thought we were making stuff up from down below and the late cheap shot. After looking in our files we found the ad we bought it from and it was only 2 and a half years ago not 3 or 4. I told you I was going to do it, and after some of the posts (or lack of by Vern) I thought this was the best for everybody to know the truth. Again read the ad look at the pictures and determine who was telling the truth. I will say one thing Vern, if hot oil ever comes out of that engine and hits anybody; your protection of "sue me" because you live in Canada and we live in the United States WILL NOT HOLD.

The first picture is a scan of the ad we bought it from, the only editting was of the email and phone number out.

third party image

The second is the saved picture from ad.

third party image

The third is of the real thing.

third party image

What do you have to say now? What does everybody else have to say with these facts?

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-30-2006 10:01:24




Report to Moderator
 Update in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
While batwinging with it yesterday, a valve started to make noise. I guess we will find out if it has the 4020 upgrade that Vern told us about. I can't wait to pull that head off and look at the pistons (anybody want to take any bets of what we will find, LOL). Also Vern has never emailed us or called us to apologize or try to make it right.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
russ hamm

02-01-2006 11:25:28




Report to Moderator
 Re: Update in reply to uoflncolts, 01-30-2006 10:01:24  
is it just me or what? fix it or part it out.i feel for your problem but i wouldnt depend on vern for any of the above at this point and expensive lessons learned dont pass quickly if you dwell on them.i have had some good and bad deals happen to me as everyone has.bad for them, bad for me,dwell on it and it takes too much out of an already short time of life. stand on a point long enough and it will poke through your shoe.if you are looking for sympathy, a lot of us feel bad for you. if you are looking for justice what anybody casts out on the water will come back to them, even vern! thats all i got to say about that.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

02-01-2006 18:19:02




Report to Moderator
 Re: Update in reply to russ hamm, 02-01-2006 11:25:28  
I agree with you 99%. By now we are not expecting a refund (even though we deserve one) and we are not looking for your sympathy as I would have posted everything else that is/was wrong with it.

I am looking for Vern to post back and apologize to EVERYONE.

And I know I post too often about this subject and many people do not want to read it, that is their right as much as mine to post. But you can not disagree that it has worked, I have not seen Vern post any tractors lately. SO THIS FORUM IS WORKING LIKE IT SHOULD. But with that said I am not trying to destroy his name, everybody makes a mistake here and there, but this was to big of one and he has them to often. So he should reply.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
john d

02-02-2006 18:00:01




Report to Moderator
 Re: Update in reply to uoflncolts, 02-01-2006 18:19:02  
You got took on the tractor.
If he isn't posting sale items now, you've had the desired affect.
If your goal now is for Vern to "post back and aplogize to everyone," you're probably never going to get that satisfaction. Worse yet, he's possibly getting a good laugh out of that statement. I'm gonna have to agree with Russ, who posted above. Move on and let it go until he DOES something else.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Uoflncolts

01-29-2006 10:40:37




Report to Moderator
 VERN OTTO This whole post is about Vern Otto in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
Since I did not make this clear in the original title, I wanted to make sure that future buyers know that this was about Vern Otto not just about a 4010 block.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-15-2006 11:31:48




Report to Moderator
 Anybody going to defend Vern now?????????? in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
neale cloyd , horseman69, curious, M Nut

You four seemed to sure know everything before so why don't you post now. It is a shame that only one of you can post your email. My email has ALWAYS been open.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
M Nut

01-20-2006 10:37:09




Report to Moderator
 Re: Anybody going to defend Vern now?????????? in reply to uoflncolts, 01-15-2006 11:31:48  
I can see where you are upset. I don't think you ever took time to fully understand where I was coming from. All I have ever said is I did get a well described tractor from Vern.
Your details have never changed. Your tractor is in need of repair. I have never said it didn't. My details have never changed. My tractor was excellent. It still is.
I will have to say though, I have bought and sold enough tractors that I would really question that tractor for $5,000. To bad it wasn't disclosed to you that it needed a block. It should have been. However, the bottom line always is you are taking a risk when buying sight unseen. My email is open so you should feel better about that.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-20-2006 13:26:44




Report to Moderator
 Re: Anybody going to defend Vern now?????????? in reply to M Nut, 01-20-2006 10:37:09  
Thank you for replying. I think that $5000 was an ok deal before we saw the block. You have to understand that it does NOT have a rockshaft/three-point, adjustable front end, and it was in Canada. That takes a lot of value from it so again I think that $5000 was average for this tractor before we got it and found the hole in the block. The price is not what is in question, it is the fact that he never told us about the hole.

Ryan

And for everybody else that gets mad when I post about this over and over; I will continue to post over and over until Vern contacts us. (period)..... As this is still very current to us because he has never made it right or even apologized for his lack of truth. So if you don't want to read a post in the future, do not click on my name.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Specter

01-13-2006 08:51:15




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
My say is this: Do your research and get legal counsel. If you can, try to sue Vern Otto. He grossly misrepresented the product in question. Plus he could not have missed the hole; it shows up like a neon light, and he painted in that area, so he must have seen it. Not to mention the misrepresentation of the brakes, synchros, hydraulic pump, etc. You could probably take him to court, ragardless of borders. It might have to be a Canadian court, but you should be able to make it work. Cut this guy off at the ankles. He gives antique tractor sellers a bad reputation, and also gives Canadians in general (I'm one) a bad reputation.
I still can't get my jaw up off the floor. I can see how somebody could miss a pinprick hole, but it looks like a cannonball went through that block! A point blank lie on Vern's part.
I would also recommend to other people buying on Yesterday's Tractors to boycott Vern. Don't buy anything from him. Try to force him to give up dealing in old iron.

Specter
Central Alberta, Canada

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-13-2006 10:03:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to Specter, 01-13-2006 08:51:15  
Thanks for your support but it has been 2 and half years (3-4 years according to Vern's calander) and think it is to late now. Plus what we would get back will be lucky to cancel the court fees. And if they force him to buy back we will lose all of the shipping cost from Canada to Southern Indiana, which was not cheap. Thanks



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Fastcattle

01-13-2006 08:32:49




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
I've been wanting a 4010 or 4020 diesel but cant swing it now.I will shop it around to people I know are looking.But heres the $64 question,does it run and work?The way you describe it in your last post it is unusable.Do you use it or has it been sitting for however many years youve owned it?Any idea where the leaks are from in the power steering and hydraulics or just add fluid and keep running? Head gasket leaking oil or could it be valve cover?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-13-2006 09:57:22




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to Fastcattle, 01-13-2006 08:32:49  
Thanks for posting back. We have been using it but very limited. 5th is the best gear to work in whether it be planting, discing, ect. But the batwing is the only thing that we have had it on this year, well we did subsoil a couple days with it. 4th is to slow and 6th is to fast but with the batwing it will handle average weeds/grass in 2nd or 3rd. Our 4020 will handle the same in 5th for comparison. The oil is coming out between the head and block. We just wipe it off everytime we go out. We make sure all the oil etc. is full and then head to the field. Bottom line, the tractor is shot and will need a complete overhaul to be real usable. We try to keep it on our home farm and not to other farms a few miles away because we are afraid that it will die and we will be without another tractor to drag it home. Thanks agian for your post.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-13-2006 15:18:46




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to uoflncolts, 01-13-2006 09:57:22  
After I reread my post the reason we do not use it much is because 5th is out and 4th is too slow and 6th is too fast, also it uses so much hydrualic and motor oil. So it stays on the batwing with 3rd and 2nd (if it works, sometimes will not, but sometimes does, however 5th will not go at all). Sorry if the last post did not make sense.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Fastcattle

01-13-2006 06:32:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to uoflncolts, 01-12-2006 20:18:30  
Just my opinion-dont know either party involved.Vern should have under moral obligation told buyer about hole in block-HOWEVER I buy alot of tractors and a 4010 diesel that looks that good with the new parts listed in the add is worth WAY more than $5,000 so a repair bill for the welding and grinding to fix block wouldnt hurt my feeling a bit if I had bought it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
uoflncolts

01-13-2006 07:39:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to Fastcattle, 01-13-2006 06:32:27  
I'm not calling Fastcastle out or anything but just wanted to make sure that people knew the details because I guess some did not read the posts below, so here they are.

From the posts below, I said that when we park this 4010 at night it needs three buckets under it to catch the oil that runs out of it. There is oil that comes out of the hydrualic pump (supposed to be rebuilt), oil pours out of the steering pedestal, and oil comes out of the back end. Rebuilt brakes, yeah the grab so bad and loud that Deere person said they need replace (it sounds like a plane landing if you hit the brakes with any speed). New syrcos and bearings, like I said down below, within 50 hours of use after getting it, fifth gear went out and Deere said no adjustment left. It was supposed to be rebuilt with a 4020 upgrade in it about 2000 hours ago, well we have a 4010 that is just turned up a little without a turbo that will perform better in two gears up than this thing. I have not mentioned the fact that oil also runs out of the head gasket. The best thing about this is the paint. They used very good paint as with all of it's troubles it does not desire a place inside and the paint has held up very good. Also the 95% front tires had cuts in them. We are considering parting it out, what do you all think?

Also being a standard it has no rockshaft which Vern did make clear. I think this cuts the value of it down a lot. But we wanted a field ready diesel with dual hydrualics to batwing with, so a three-point was not needed.

Fastcattle, Do you want to buy it or know of somebody that wants to?

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
JDBert

01-13-2006 09:38:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: Pictures of the 4010 block in reply to uoflncolts, 01-13-2006 07:39:23  
WOW!!! Thats UGLY!!! Dont see how that got "missed"! Anyway Drop me a email about what you want to do with this tractor, where your at how much you want ect. My email is open.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy