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Buyer and Seller Feedback - Another interesting scam

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Jeff Kemp

08-27-2005 05:23:57

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I came across a few of these at work in the past few weeks. The buyer from Vancouver BC is buying items in the US using a Bank One check. The checks are REAL CHECKS with real bank accounts. They send the check to the seller certified mail. Once the seller signs for the check they cancel the check at the bank. The seller then cashes the check and sends the goods. Three days later the bank tells them the check was bad. Beware the bank is not responsible for the checks and will not give you your money back. I have seen three of these and all of them have the name Larry Williams on the account. The criminal will give the seller a valid cell phone number that is registered to Randy Johnson and not the baseball player either. Calling the number you hear an arabic voice on the voice mail. Problem with these cases is that the theft is actually occurring in Canada making this very hard if not impossible to prosecute. To prevent this type of fraud cash the check and wait a minimum of three days before you send the goods. Good Luck.

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08-30-2005 08:15:19

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 Re: Another interesting scam in reply to Jeff Kemp, 08-27-2005 05:23:57  
It has gone past e-mail scams now and to the phone. Someone called by a relay service and tried to buy my Semi truck. It sounded just like my scam e-mails I get. Being 6:00 am didn't make me to happy either ON A SATURDAY!

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Richard Thomas

10-15-2005 09:30:28

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 Re: Another interesting scam in reply to Mopower, 08-30-2005 08:15:19  
Mopower,Yes the same thing happened this morning. Someone named Stella from Stella company UK called this morning on a relay to buy an old Case tractor I have for sale. Very poor English and very vague on the details. Emails too. Doesn't feel right. Soon as I questioned it the emails stopped.

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08-27-2005 15:32:41

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 Re: Another interesting scam in reply to Jeff Kemp, 08-27-2005 05:23:57  
I always wait a minimum of 10 days after depositing a personal check, cashiers check, or money order, before I ship the goods. Cashiers checks and money orders have been forged also. The seller needs to do everything possible to protect himself.

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09-12-2005 16:39:11

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 Re: Another interesting scam in reply to RustyFarmall, 08-27-2005 15:32:41  
See yesterday's Washington Post for an article on the "check overpayment" scam.

I'm not sure 10 days is enough. The Post article says the scam hinges on common misunderstandings about the check clearing process. Just because funds are credited to your account does not necessarily mean the check is legit, and you could be liable for returning the money once the fraud is detected.

When I got a suspicious "cashier's" check, I called the bank and described it. The number sequence was not a valid check number, and they did not employ anyone with the name that was signed. The buyer never gave a legitimate phone number, either.

Be sure to report all suspicious information to the "issuing" bank so they can alert tellers to look out for certain signs. Then maybe they can shut down a transaction before funds are moved.

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