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Buyer and Seller Feedback - Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas

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upset buyer

03-30-2009 18:56:38




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Bought a tractor from Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas, He said the power-steering worked, it didnt, said it had a engine knock but nothing he didnt think would be of concern, It sounds like a diesel and its not a diesel!, 3pt was broken, welded and not complete, Drawbar frame was broken and welded, the entire rear axle housing of the tractor was broken and cracked, gear shift pattern was broken, nosecone was rusted through in several places, None of these faults did he ever bring up, Do not buy from Rick Cohn unless you see, drive, and inspect the tractor in person otherwise he will act like he didnt know anything about the tractor and tell you its as-is. Im not one to complain about small faults on a used tractor but when things are left out to make a sale, its not right.

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larry cook

04-05-2009 14:14:50




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
the whole deal smells. alot of deception going on from the get go. aint right.
l cook



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fort67

04-03-2009 18:49:42




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
I"ve bought alot of small crawlers off the internet which is probaly the worst thing to do. i know distance can be an issus. If i buy it off ebay i take the risk of being described correctly.If there"s something i missed i suck it and take it. So far everyone i have dealt with have been upfront(still good honest people) and every seller gotten a deposit. If it"s not as descibed i"ll walk away and seller keep deposit, no questions asked as even if seller lied. Been blessed that never happened. I have taken some that were questionable but it works out in the end. I do go pickup anything in person so there"s never a question, even if 1000 miles. I don"t know all the facts in this case but someone seems to either have misreprsented the item or the other party misunderstood the description. Hope it works out for everyone

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farmhand

04-02-2009 15:08:25




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
Well the bester got bested for buying a fifty year old tractor and not going and looking at it. We have all bought tractors sight unseen and have been disappointed when they have arrived or we went to pick them up. But I have always took my medicine for making the deal which is a deal like it or not.You did not buy a new old stock fifty year old tractor setting on a dealers lot so stop your people bashing and suck it up.

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Butch GA.

04-01-2009 07:10:39




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
UPSET BUYER must be Harlan Krugar. He can change his name all he wants but he can't change his computer I.D. number. look where his name is on the left side of the page and you will see the # 75.104.160.56 that number is same for upset buyer and mr krugar. they are either one of the same or using the same computer.



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Too Far Gone

04-30-2009 08:38:09




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to Butch GA., 04-01-2009 07:10:39  
I see what You are talking about on the same #.Id say after all the disappointed people who bought tractors in Mn.One disappointment on his end aint that bad.



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larry cook

03-31-2009 20:58:09




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
if what you posted was true then my first post stands. if in fact you are harlan then i withdraw my statement. you should have looked at the tractor before buying anyway. from what i gather you got no reason to complain.
enjoy
l cook



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TylerARK

03-31-2009 18:20:31




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 Re: HARLAN KRUGER... in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
Hello Harlan Kruger. ie "upset buyer" I have read the emails and corrspondance between you and Rick. You were sent several pictures and a pretty fair description of the tractor and you were told several times it was sold AS IS- WHERE IS, and that you should come look it over. I guess the letter from his lawyer yesterday upset you since your harrasment didnt scare a refund out of him First thing I was wondering was why you would pay Retail price ($5500) for a $2500 to $3000 southern/ rice tractor that needs a lot of work but to each his own I guess. The pictures showed pretty much the whole story. I know you have bought tractors from down here before and you knew what you were getting. he even mention the nose being rusty.The so called engine knock is no worse than many tractors I have heard around here before. either wrist pin knock or piston flop and you were told about the engine noise. The drawbar supports are welded to the main case on 90 percent of the tractors around here, It was represented pretty honestly if you ask me and I told him before the truck picked it up that you would probably hit him up for a refund. guess I hit that one right on the head. I have known Rick for several years and he is very cautious about his business . Rick just bought a 730 diesel which was described as having a bad cylinder head, he went and looked it over and bought it, got it home and tried to get it running and after teardown found that it had spun a rod bearing in the past and was thrown back together then and left to sit. Did he try to harrass a refund out of those folks, NO, he bought it as is-where is and he saw it in person before buying it. He never implied to you that the 70 was perfect and you should know better. So do you wonder why people are always hitting back at you for badmouthing others??
quit being a baby and either go look at them in person or quiturbitchin.
Tyler

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Harlan Kruger

04-01-2009 19:30:18




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 WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to TylerARK, 03-31-2009 18:20:31  
Just curious why doesnt Rick Cohn Speak up here, rather than having brown nose buddy tyler do his talking for him



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robb ih

04-03-2009 19:51:00




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 Re: WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 19:30:18  
Harlan, go sleep it off. Boring.



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Bobl1958

04-02-2009 06:51:08




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 Re: WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 19:30:18  
Because he probably doesn't want to make a fool of himself like you are doing a good job of accomplishing. Why don't you guys take your whinning somewhere else? Maybe be man enough to use the phone instead of emailing? Give it a rest. Bob



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Harlan Kruger

04-02-2009 07:21:51




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 Re: WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to Bobl1958, 04-02-2009 06:51:08  
When he doesnt respond to emails, I dont expect him to answer a phone,



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Bobl1958

04-02-2009 07:34:34




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 Re: WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-02-2009 07:21:51  
I would agree with that Harlan. In which case leave it alone. You are the one who is ending up looking like the fool, and you are the one who supposedly got the bad deal. Remember the old saying, Sometimes silence is the better part of virtue.



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Harlan Kruger

04-02-2009 07:48:36




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 Re: WHY DOESNT RICK HIMSELF SPEAK UP in reply to Bobl1958, 04-02-2009 07:34:34  
I agree bob, i try to tell people who and what to look out for, but yet it all comes back to me being the bad guy, Im done with rick and tyler. As far as Im concerned this message board topic is closed



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TylerARK

04-01-2009 20:34:55




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 Re: in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 19:30:18  
Rick isnt replying because like he told you several times, the deal is over and done with. I looked at the picture of what you are calling the broken rear axle housing, looks to me like it is an old weld where a drawbar support was welded to it in the past like 90 percent of them around here are. I have seen a Lot worse than that. a little grinding will make it go away if you dont like it. He also told you how the steering was acting. He told you what he knew about it. Hell he even told you to forget the whole deal before you sent payment when you started gripeing about it because he thought you were trying to pull something over on him. As for me being a brown nose, come on, you can do better than that. at least call me an arshole or something. By the way, I thought you were done messaging on here, oh, I know, April fools Huh ?
Maybe you should of had him put a video of it on youtube like you said you are going to do. Then you could have seen every inch of it. all it would have took was for you to ask me to go look it over for you and I would have told you everything I could have found out about it. I might have seen the weld in question but that is normal for around here so I might have not thought anything about it. I had seen the tractor once but just walked by it to go look at some parts, I knew it was a little on the rough side just by walking by it but you had several pictures to study of it which showed lots of details including many things you are gripeing about now. it is still in pretty good overall shape for a tractor from this area. this area was hell on tractors. come on now, either go look at them yourself or get someone else to do it or request a video. Yawn, Im getting bored, I am going to Really not post anymore on this subject. My email is open.
Tyler

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Harlan Kruger

04-01-2009 05:38:43




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 Harlan Kruger Speaks Out Long Post in reply to TylerARK, 03-31-2009 18:20:31  
Tyler, You and I have dealt back and forth many times, never any issues, I dont know where you are getting that I would be hitting him up for a refund, this is the FIRST time ive ever been so disappointed with a tractor, Im not whining about a cracked amp gauge, or a twisted off bolt, Im talking about being told the Power-Steering Working and it doesnt, Im talking about an ENTIRE rear and housing broken and cracked, not just the drawbar welded up, Im talking about major issues not something that should be left out of a conversation. Yes I have bought southern tractors before, some were very very very rough, and they were sold and described perfectly, the seller didnt have anything to hide to try to make the sale, The 420 LP W I bought from you several years ago, Did you ever hear back from me after I got it? Absolutely not, I was happy with it, Maybe you are just upset that I sold it and made a whole $1000 on it? I had previously thought you and I were on really good terms, I guess when one person complains about their 620 shaft housing cracked and I refund them $125 that they agree to and cash the check, and when someone else isnt happy with a set of B wheels and I give them 100% refund and they keep the wheels, that makes me the bad guy doesnt it. Ive bought hundreds of tractors and if a light didnt work, or if the tires werent as good as i thought, or if the float ride seat is shot, I dont complain, I know its used, Any issue ive had with a part not being as I described it, or a tractor not being as described that I sold, I make it right one way or another. Thats more than Rick Cohn Can say, And as far as a lawyer letter, thats new to me, I havent seen in it the mail, his lawyer will charge him more than Im asking for returned, With all that was wrong with that 70, asking for $750 back is nothing, Why did I pay retail price, I figured it had $3000 worth of rear wheels and tires on it. If it was such a great tractor when you knew of it Tyler why didnt you buy it, sounds like you seen it up close. so again I dont know where you are coming off as such a basher when you and I have dealt many times, but I suggest wiping the end of your nose off it looks a little brown from ricks rear. Am I being assertive and aggresive here, Yes because im sick of all the basing I get on this site when people like you tyler that arent even involved make up stuff. I guess my banker was right, People dont like other people that make more money than they do doing the same job. Phew, Ive vented now. If anyone has an issue with me or would like to discuss any of this with me personally, I can be reached at 507-256-4693 kruger_implement@yahoo.com Good Day

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TylerArk

04-01-2009 06:16:39




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 Re: Harlan Kruger Speaks Out Long Post in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 05:38:43  
Harlan, I misspoke about the lawyer letter, should have said that he should have had one sent to ask you to stop emailing all the time about it when his answer has always been that it was sold as is where is. I knew of the tractor when it was drug out of the pasture 2 years ago with a single front wheel and junk rear tires. Rick has taken 2 years a little at a time to put it back up on all 4 wheels and get it running. He never had a full restoration on his mind, just getting it back to resembling a 70 LP standard so it could be sold to someone wanting to finish it up. As for the rear axle hsg being broke and welded, nobody around here saw that, I would still like to see a picture of where it is at just to see why it makes a parts tractor out of this one. You and I have not had any problems between us in the past but I like many others am getting sick of seeing you and several Others bad mouthing people like it is a full time job. Maybe I expect better out of you but with all that is being put online about you, it makes a guy wonder. Wow, $3000 worth of tires, you need to shop around down south more often. I am out but have sold several of those 26 inch setups for $1000. Were you planning on knocking it in the head the whole time? I didnt buy it because Rick found it first. The last 70 LP Std I sold was an older restoration and sold for $6300. As for me not being involved, I told Rick that I had not had any problems with you in the past myself but that there was plenty of folks online who seemed to not be happy with you. As I could see Rick represented the tractor as best as he knew. He didnt intentionally hide anything. Isnt that what As Is- Where Is, is about? I wish you good luck in the future but why not go see the tractors in person or send someone to look at them ?
Tyler

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Harlan Kruger

04-01-2009 17:52:15




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 To Tyler in reply to TylerArk, 04-01-2009 06:16:39  
Tyler, I will gladly email you photos of the broken rear end housing, The only people ive had issues with on this board were deerevalley over a set of rear B wheels, which they got a 100% refund and kept the wheels, and Aaron about the 620 pto which I refunded $125. I cant do better than that, I could have been like rick and said as is as is as is as is as is, but Im not like that, My ebay feedback speaks for itself, its not 100% but its 99.8 going on 99.9% perfect, with as many transactions as I do, id said thats a pretty good record. Sorry if I came off strong on you, I was just wondering where it was all coming from. email me at kruger_implement@yahoo.com and I will gladly email you everything wrong with that 70, I didnt buy it to part it out, I bought it to go with my 60 Lp standard to have a pair, I wanted it because standards with the 23.1x26 tires and centers are rare and I liked the other options it had. To be honest, the more I work on and notice on the tractor the less desireable it is to me, I would have rather paid $20,000 for one that was done than $5500 for this one. I do understand I bought it as is, but I also thought i bought it as described, he come right out and said "the power steering works fine" I have to use both hands to turn it, and when its just sitting at idle the wheels spin to the right all the way, I dont consider that working, I also dont consider a 3pt that is supposed to be in good shape, to have welded ends and mismatched lift arms, something that should have been obvious to anyone that has looked at a 3pt up close, Im sure you describe the tractors to the best of your ability, as do I, but if power-steering doesnt work, im not going to say that it does, etc. If you notice its always deerevalley and aaron that have negative things to say, To be honest, I think im done posting any messages on here, If I post anything deerevalley will be all over it, or theres always someone out there that will have something to say, Had Rick described it to me stating the power-steering didnt work, the rear housing was broken, the 3pt was mismatched and welded, the nosecone was rusted through, the front rims were incorrect, and on and on, I wouldnt have bought it. If you do have 23.1x26 rear centers, rims, and tires are $1000 per set, ill take every set you got, I guess I have $5500 in my set that ill just end up putting on my 60 lp standard now. I just shared what type of guy rick was is all. This will be one of my last posts, there is too much drama on this site that I dont need.

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Aaron S.

04-01-2009 19:12:58




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 Re: To Tyler in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 17:52:15  
Harlan, I want to make this short and simple. I agree with you that some of these things should have been brought to your attention on this 70.I want you to think back to the 620. You say, "Im sure you describe the tractors to the best of your ability, as do". Now I have alot of respect for you when it comes to your knowledge on 2 cylinders but if your going to tell me that you described that to the best of your knowledge then I really do have to call you a liar. I know you can do better than that and I'm sure you do in most cases. I guess if I was thinking I would have asked for $700 back, but if I remember right you bashed me for asking for the $150. In all reality I feel like I bought a $1500 tractor that was described to be in the $2500-$3000 range. I guess when your trying to make a living you do what you have to do, but it doesnt make it right. I don't really think we have anythign to discuss but my Email is also open. Aaron

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Harlan Kruger

04-01-2009 19:42:35




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 Re: To Aaron S in reply to Aaron S., 04-01-2009 19:12:58  
Aaron, the words of the day seem to be AS-IS WHERE IS Dont they, You bashed me before I ever brought up your name, I told you right from the begining, Im not going to pay for parts that didnt need to be replaced, It didnt need the clutches, shaft etc, It only needed the housing so I refunded half of your request, Its not my fault the guy wouldnt sell just the casting. By cashing the check, you are more or less accepting the offer I would say, Also like everyone else says, Why didnt you come look at it, they dont seem to care that i was nearly 800 miles away from the 70 lp standard, so you should have came and looked at the 620 according to their opinions as well. If that was only a $1500 tractor, you seemed to think it was worth $3500 shortly after you had it for sale on the photo ads, If you didnt like it when you got it, you could have easily parted it out and made a very healthy profit on it, 620/630 parts are quite valuable. What else do you want me to do????? its been over a year, I could have done to you like rick told me, as is where is tough crap, I didnt, I sent you what I felt was fair, I at least replied to your emails and calls, Rick has done absolutely nothing. My feeling is no matter what I do, im not going to please you over a $125 issue, I tried, Had you really not been ok with everything, you would have not retracted the feedback, I thought it was all squared away, but I guess not, All I can do is say that I did what I thought was fair, I didnt have to do anything at all and not even gave you a penny back, So if you want to keep bashing me, and keep bashing me, and keep bashing me, Go ahead, but both you and I know we agreed to the terms. There is nothing else I can do, If you dont want to buy from me anymore, im sorry, but thats your choice, but I at least made an effort to make it right, thats a lot more than so me people will or would do. Good Day..Harlan Kruger PS, I will be copy and pasting this to the feedback so everyone can read it.

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Who says

04-04-2009 06:19:37




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 Re: To Aaron S in reply to Harlan Kruger, 04-01-2009 19:42:35  
Well im sure if he sold it for 3500 he put some time and money in to it. Doesnt take a genius to figure that one out! Grow up!!!



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larry cook

03-31-2009 16:52:31




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
while i agree with you on your post i have to also say that i would never buy from someone that i do not know without looking at the item (or someone you trust). course you can take your chances and heck who needs to tell you, you have just experienced it. nonetheless it aint right and i hope you good luck with your situation.
larry cook



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jd2pop

03-31-2009 10:42:43




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
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135 Fan

03-30-2009 21:00:28




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-30-2009 18:56:38  
I take it you bought the tractor without ever seeing it? Was info left out or did you not ask? It sounds like you got a bad deal but who volunteers everything that's wrong with something they sell? Dave



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upset buyer

03-31-2009 05:04:27




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to 135 Fan, 03-30-2009 21:00:28  
I live nearly 800 miles away, so I couldnt just go casually and look at it, Im not one to complain about something missing or broken here or there on a used tractor, but when its something as big as the entire rear axle housing broken that wasnt stated, yes then I have a problem with it, or when im told the power-steering works and when the tractor arrives it doesnt. Rick needs to be honest about what he sells rather than trying to pass it off as quick as he can and pocket the money, He refuses to even acknowledge anything was wrong with it other than the engine knock, but he said it wasnt anything to worry about,

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Aaron S.

03-31-2009 18:31:28




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-31-2009 05:04:27  
What would you think if a tractor was described to you as a starts good/ runs good with a little choke, and when you got it, it wouldnt run at all? Would that be ok with you? Seems like you might not represent what you are selling the best if you are indeed who someone pointed you out to be...Best of luck with your treasure Harlan. Aaron



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135 Fan

03-31-2009 14:26:09




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 Re: Avoid Rick Cohn of Leachville, Arkansas in reply to upset buyer, 03-31-2009 05:04:27  
You could check if there's any laws on deliberate misrepresentation in the state he's in. Dave



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