Buyer and Seller Feedback - Farmalltom

I'll side with you on this transaction as Tom picked-up the tractor, IN PERSON, and was told it had engine problems (ahead of time even before he left his house) that in my opinion I would expect to see some water in the pan.

Tom had ample time to look over what he was buying and could have walked away at any time, but he didn't. Tom did pay $1500 and pulled the tractor home so he surley seen $1500 worth of value at the time he loaded the tractor.

Being #1 or #2 hole has nothing to do with it as your guess was as good as Tom's at that point since the tractor wasn't torn down for inspection until after it was bought. Could have also been a cracked block an it wouldn't have supprised me nor made any difference in the deal that was made as that's the chance one takes buying 50yr old iron.

Tom had I been the one to weld the fast hitching, you would have never seen the weld when I was done. I awlays make repairs to look just like the original item if all possible. Not a thing wrong with hitching with a repair weld "if" the repair was done correctly.

I would have looked at the parts tractor as just that, a parts tractor. If it indeed can be repaired and put back in service, then Tom's a winner. The price states it's a parts tractor as you can't buy a decent running 460D for $1500 for some years now.

My memory is not the best but I remember seeing Rick Olson posting tractors for sale for about the last 6yrs on this website, could be longer but that's when I first noticed. This is the first negitive post I've seen on Rick Olson in 6yrs. I've been on this web site for 10yrs now.

Now doing a search in the archives on "FarmallTom" only brings up two posts, one in 2000 and one in 2005 on the farmall forum which leads me to believe Tom has another user name or doesn't post very much and neither is listed with Tom's current IP address.

In June 2005 I traveled 3700miles RT to buy a tractor from Rick Olson and was very pleased the 706D was as described by e-mail and telephone by Rick as being accurate. I figured for buying a 42yr old tractor, I came out pretty darn good for my first cross country buy. I would do business with Rick again on a handshake or his word without any worry.

T_Bone

"I too have used it for the better part of a decade... who cares? The fact that I don't go around putting up posts all over the place somehow lessens my worth or my credibility here? I don't think so"

It does matter Tom. Just because were talking via puter doesn't mean we still need to conduct our selfs as if we were talking in person to one another. In my 10yrs on this website, I've found people who post under several names(handles) on this website are usually the the worst trouble makers on the website and contribute very little. So if you've indeed posted for the past 10yrs on this website, why hide the name(handle) that you normaly use? Shoots your credibility right down the drain with me when I see that. Des Moines, IA 50309

BTW I don't condone using given names on the internet on non-secured websites as ID theft is a huge problem.

What to know who T_Bone is? Just search the Tool Forum and read the 30 to 40 pages of my welding advice over the past 10yrs. I have no hidden agenda.

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"Further - I would question the judgement of someone who blindly throws his support behind someone he has dealt with one time."

Well said from another one time buyer. LOL When you shake a mans hand it tells alot about him. another 10 min talking with him just about tells the whole story.

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"You make it sound like I should have known Mr. Olson was going to put the shaft to me because of his asking price. If that is the case then I suppose I am guilty of believing a man at his word."

This wasn't even worth your effort to try and put words into what I've stated. I'll state again what I said just so you don't get it confused:
any engine with a suspected blown head gasket stands a good chance of having water in the oil pan, mechanics 101. Is that really all that bad? Depends on how long the problem existed and was ran that way.

Why is the selling price so important? Because that tells the ones that was not present at the trading conversastions pretty much what a NORMAL person should expect for the money he was spending.

I personally would spend $1500 for a bad running tractor that I knew I was going to have to rebuild as then when I got done, I would have a engine that would last me my life time. It seams the market for a stuck engine tractor will bring $1000 in today's real world pricing.

Makes me think of what your gonna say when you get this tractor running and find it pops out of 3rd gear? Another known pearl of a 50yr old tractor thats been worked. Would this also be Rick's problem?

T_Bone

T_Bone- "In my 10yrs on this website, I've found people who post under several names(handles) on this website are usually the the worst trouble makers on the website and contribute very little. So if you've indeed posted for the past 10yrs on this website, why hide the name(handle) that you normaly use? Shoots your credibility right down the drain with me when I see that. "<

I have NEVER used another handle on these forums or on this website. I have lived in the same place for 10 years and have owned at least 3 different computers in that time so save your IP address argument as well. If you don't know what an IP address is or where/how it's generated, you shouldn't try to use it as an argument.

T_Bone- ""Further - I would question the judgement of someone who blindly throws his support behind someone he has dealt with one time."
Well said from another one time buyer. LOL When you shake a mans hand it tells alot about him. another 10 min talking with him just about tells the whole story."<

I'm glad to see that you get the point... I AM a one time buyer. I called and asked questions. I got false information on more than one account. I went to get it and the man DID shake my hand and told me the same story over again. I trusted his word. What you and others seem to be trying to imply is that I am somehow trying to say that the seller is responsible for the condition of the engine. Let me repeat myself... HE IS NOT. What I have said all along is that he lied to me about the water in the oil and, therefore, the condition of the tractor AND SAID SO HIMSELF..!
When the man says that it's leaking compression out the side of the head gasket but there is no water in the oil, to me, that means we probably have a side blowout on the head gasket but it didn't get into the water. You are right about the damaging effect of the antifreeze mainly depending on how long it was running/sitting that way. If the man had been honest about it from the start, I could have checked into it further. Who knows? I may have bought it anyway...! That's my point - All I ever said here was that he lied to me about this issue and told me as much.
When a man knowingly lies about anything in a business deal, his credibility SHOULD be questioned from that point forward. THAT and only THAT is why I left the original post regarding him. Here is a quote from the ORIGINAL post:

Farmalltom- "I don't hold him responsible for the condition of the engine because a man can't know what he might find inside of an engine.(although there is little chance that it would have run well at all as he stated)
I am, however, very disappointed that he would tell me that the tractor had no water in the oil."

I'll repeat what I said in another, later post here:
"I AM NOT TELLING YOU NOT TO BUY FROM RICK OLSON. I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW THINGS WENT WITH MY DEAL SO YOU MIGHT DEAL WITH HIM IN A MORE EDUCATED MANNER. IF YOU FEEL THAT I AM LYING, FINE. ...SHEESH..."

T_Bone- "Why is the selling price so important? Because that tells the ones that was not present at the trading conversastions pretty much what a NORMAL person should expect for the money he was spending."<

So... we should all distrust anyone who sells a tractor at what appears to be a good price for the tractor they are describing..?? Good advice, T_Bone. I prefer to take a man at his word until he proves himself untrustworthy. BTW: I just bought a nice 350 DIESEL for $1100. Should I look for explosives strapped to the bottom or something..?? The man HAD to be dishonest, right??

T_Bone- "I personally would spend $1500 for a bad running tractor that I knew I was going to have to rebuild as then when I got done, I would have a engine that would last me my life time. It seams the market for a stuck engine tractor will bring $1000 in today's real world pricing."<

GREAT! I have about $1750 invested in it with the hauling... I'll take cash or Cashier's check. When do you want to get it?

On a side note - I honestly don't care if you (or anyone) have been using this website for a day or for a decade. Everyone has the right to express his opinion so long as it isn't attacking someone personally or using profanity. I simply told the truth about what happened in my case. I did not personally attack Mr. Olson and I did not advise people to avoid doing business with him. In response I was attacked, ridiculed, and condemned.
It's easy for you and others to sit behind your computer screen and judge, taunt, and call names. If you or anyone else wants to put your 2 cents worth in on Mr. Olson's behalf, fine. Why is it necessary for you to judge and comment on something that you have no first hand knowledge of? You obviously weren't there. As for the people who haven't done business with EITHER myself or Mr. Olson, they have very little relevance to add to this conversation and should, for the most part, stay out of it. Where are your reprimands for the behavior of the "members" attacking me and calling me names??
Perhaps you should go back and post another page of welding advice.
-FT

If you truly believe that this was such a fantastic deal then put your money where your mouth is and come get it... and bring cash.

Your entitled to your opinion but your not correct in calling people on the website simpleton's!!! The members don't conduct there self on the forums that way. Maybe alittle reading with less flipping your upper lip might help you.

I bet you haven't even pushed the button on the bottom left side column titled:
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T_Bone

"Simpleton" really doesn't quite cover it with you, does it?

FT