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putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H

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az tractor guy

01-02-2008 13:04:14




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Hi,

I know where there is an H that the original rear housing has a big hole in it. If I can I am going to do my best to fix this tractor. Let's say for the sake of argument that I had a 300 transmission housing. How hard would it be to put it in the old H? Would I be able to use the axle housings, the axles, final drive, the gears, or anything else from the old H?

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Bob Kerr

01-02-2008 21:57:24




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 13:04:14  
Too bad you are in AZ. I have an nice 41 H case sitting behind my barn and it is in the way! It has the rear axles and differential intact. The trans gears are gone. I am in Indiana.



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D Slater

01-02-2008 18:58:30




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 13:04:14  
Hardly anything from a H transmission will work in a 300 transmission and vise versa. Real late H with disc brakes a few will. Clutch, center housing won't interchange also. Most 300 used the 2-1/2 inch axle so H wheels will work. Few 300 have the optional 2-3/4 inch axle. If you have a free 300 rear end from engine back and just want something put togeather to use the cost will still add up. Fabricate mounting for battery box, rear steering shaft support and rear gas tank support to 300 trans. top cover. modifiy gear shifter. Use a flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate from 300,or 350. If you have a late H with bigger flywheel you can use it. Need a starter or drive end to work with your starter and will mount to the 300 starter location. If you need hydraulics you have to add a hydraulic tank or use the transmission for one, also a engine or pto driven pump and whatever pipes and valving wanted. If you had a 300 doner tractor with a bad engine it would be simpler to put the H engine in it. Know of a couple that way that do jobs with less power but less fuel also.

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Tractor Tom

01-02-2008 17:45:07




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 13:04:14  
From your name, I'm guessing you are in or from Arizona? If so e-mail me and I can point you to a couple of very reasonable H's for parts here in Arizona. I have no financial interest in either one, it just seems like it might be easier to swap out the rear end unless you can repair your problem with a better patch.



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Janicholson

01-02-2008 15:33:13




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 13:04:14  
The compatibility is way low.
If the Housing is filled with good gears and a TA, then you are constructing the SHTA of fame/infamy.
That is still difficult because of the platform differences, the mounting system for the fuel tank, The lack of a hydraulic system in the new housing, and assorted things that are a tinkers nightmare. Finding a good housing for the H is much better. Even a SH housing would be 100 times easier than a 300. JimN

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az tractor guy

01-02-2008 15:43:41




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to Janicholson, 01-02-2008 15:33:13  
Hi,

I guess then the question is will it be worth it? Have you tried this?

It would really been helpful to have more information on the differences.

Thanks!



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Wardner

01-02-2008 17:34:24




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 15:43:41  
As far as I can tell, there is only one person, maybe two, on this board who can tell you what you need to do. That would be D Slater and maybe the Tractor Vet.

One of the problems with your question is you haven't told us whether you want a H with a TA or not. If you want the TA it is not a big deal unless you can find a 300 with a TA eliminator. Not likely on that score.

You can change the axles and axle housings but why bother. The rear frame will probably have those already attached. The frame lid will have to be changed and the H shifting forks installed. The motor will bolt up to the H center section but the center section internals probably won't be compatible with the 300 rear frame internals. I'm just guessing on that. Anyway you look at it, it is a hair-brained idea. You are probably going to have to give up the PTO.

I would never ask the question you are asking. I would get the parts books of both models and start figuring it out. But rest assured that what you want to do is something I would never do. I would rather put a TA into a Cub just for the heck of it. A 300 rear frame in a H is just too mundane. You won't get no 'r e s p e c t'.

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Janicholson

01-02-2008 16:02:55




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 15:43:41  
If I had 10,000 and wanted to spend another 3,000 of labor on special fitments, I could make a very nice SHTA (which we all know never existed from IH) the very best spliced together tractors can bring good money, but they are either sold to those who want the contraption for its bizarre bragging rights, or they are duped into believing it is a factory rare model or pre-production prototype. Either way, if you have the resources it can be done. If you need a tractor, replace the whole rear end from a droner H. JimN

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Armand Tatro

01-02-2008 13:35:53




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 13:04:14  
It is possible to weld a patch to the case and than seal the inside and outside of the patch with a sealer and you should not have any seepage. We had to have the case patched and welded on an Farmall M in about 1962 and it is still holding. Had a hole bigger than my fist and there are better sealers avaible today. Armand



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az tractor guy

01-02-2008 15:35:33




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to Armand Tatro, 01-02-2008 13:35:53  
Hi,

This hole was patched, and it still leaks.



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Armand Tatro

01-02-2008 17:14:09




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 Re: putting a Farmall 300 rear case into a Farmall H in reply to az tractor guy, 01-02-2008 15:35:33  
How bad is the patch leaking? Clean the area around the patch and look for any cracks or failed welds. A rear bad crack or failed weld would have to be rewelded and than an epoxy sealer applied. If just a dirp or a seepage the epoxy sealer applied. In any event the rear end would have tobe drained for at least a couple of days and throuly cleaned before any fixes can be done. The welder that fixed our M did an excellant job of welding and then put fiberglass over the welded area. There are better epoxies aviable now. It was/is my hope that somebody with a better knowledge of modern epoxies will log on with more information. With respect; Armand

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