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1954 Super H diesel

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SonnyDey

02-13-2007 18:53:01




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Today i bought a 1954 Super H diesel, I thought that it was just a junk someone put together. But a guy told me that they were rare. The casting codes on the back are Z's, and the block says G, i cant read the serial numbers but the tag says Super H, Are these rare? How many were made? Where do i get parts.

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( Farm Doctor i dont need your advice this time)




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Farm Doctor

02-14-2007 15:03:53




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
I see that you people finaly came back to earth. I guess im not so dumb after all, I have boughten stuff from this guy and got it home to have it fall apart. I think he is the one putting all this junk to gether to try to make something usefull. SonnyDay or SonnyDey, i hope nobody buys from you again, if you would be so nice to put some pics out there of it, show them where you have the rear end braced up with steel plates and where everything is welded to gether.

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SonnyDey

02-14-2007 06:12:42




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
I saw what you guys said, but if a super H or a 300 ever had a T/A handle then how did mine get one, i just found out that the T/A is out on the high and low side.



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Nat 2

02-14-2007 11:25:10




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-14-2007 06:12:42  
Nobody ever said that. In case you're actually serious, and not just the hand in the sock puppet called Farmall Doc:

Super H = A REAL Super H NEVER had a TA or a TA lever. Never never never ever!

300 = A 300 USUALLY has a TA and a TA lever. Some were ordered without a TA.

Super H = A REAL Super H NEVER had a fast hitch, and one can not be installed easily. It was not designed for a Fast Hitch.

300 = A 300 USUALLY has a Fast Hitch.

If you have a Super H with a TA and a fast hitch, you have a CUSTOM TRACTOR. IH never produced such a tractor, but because of Eli Whitney's idea of interchangeable parts, parts from a Super H and a 300 or 350 can be bolted together to make a completely different tractor that was never made by IH.

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Hugh MacKay

02-14-2007 07:34:21




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-14-2007 06:12:42  
Sonny: Are you sure it's not a 1/16 toy or even a 1/12 Sterling Mint Precission? Doc. may have been out of line, but your nuts. You deserve each other, but take it smoewhere other than here.



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Wardner

02-14-2007 06:25:31




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-14-2007 06:12:42  
Yeah, Sonny.

But what about the middle position. I bet that works good.



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Nat 2

02-14-2007 05:22:25




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
If you really believed the tractor to be a "factory" you got suckered.

The G code indicates that the engine is from a 1961 tractor. It can't be from any other year because the G code would mean either 1937, before IH had a diesel engine in production, or 1983, when IH didn't make an engine that would fit in an H frame and look "factory."

Hugh hit the nail right on the head. It HAS to be a D166 out of a 340 Diesel.

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City-Boy McCoy

02-14-2007 04:45:05




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
The tag reads "Super H" eh? (It does not read "SH"?) Hmmmm! Very interesting, Sonny.



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georgeky

02-13-2007 22:37:43




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
I am beginning to wonder myself. Sonny how do you spell your name Day or Dey?



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Hugh MacKay

02-14-2007 02:38:30




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to georgeky, 02-13-2007 22:37:43  
George: I think it's quite obvious some folks know Sonny a bit better than we do. I must admit I never noticed him until day before yesterday. Has he been around longer than that?



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georgeky

02-14-2007 08:23:05




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-14-2007 02:38:30  
Hugh, I searched the archives a little last night, and could not find any thing from Sonny Dey or Sonny Day, but I did not do a real extensive search. I believe I seen enough. I am beginning to think however crude, Doc may have been on the right trail.



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sentry

02-13-2007 21:11:03




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Today i bought a 1954 Super H $ 20.00 dollar bill bush, I thought that it was just a junk someone put grafted together. But a guy told me that they were rare. The codes on the back are Jackson's, and the pot says G, i cant read the serial numbers but the tag says Super H $ 20.00 bill bush, Are these rare? How many were hybredized? Where do i get fertilizer ? I am amazed.. as it produces a fresh $ 20.00 bill every tue and thur. If I hang out and read more of this maybe we can collect enough fertilizer to double it's production.

INVESTORS ???

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Maqrv

02-13-2007 20:22:07




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Two full moons in Feburary. We call that a blue moon month, and we still have two weeks left.



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Wardner

02-13-2007 20:18:47




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Your question yesterday about the fast hitch is starting to make sense now. I am drawing the inferance that you were sold an early 300 (Z codes) with SH sheet metal and a diesel from a 350. Maybe the builder of this tractor worked on the assembly line at the Farmall Works and smuggled out the parts over half a decade.

Send us some pictures and we will try to figure this out. Either that or send us some cast part numbers from the rear frame, frame cover, and center section.

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Hugh MacKay

02-14-2007 02:46:45




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to Wardner, 02-13-2007 20:18:47  
Wardner: I know before suggesting, this would be a money looser, however I think if I were going to construct a SH or 300 diesel, I'd go with a D-166 from a 340, D-188 from a 504 or D-239 from a 544 rather than using a Continental from a 350.

This is based solely on the fact that the folks with 350 diesels are having trouble finding enough parts to keep them mobile.



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Wardner

02-14-2007 06:14:42




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-14-2007 02:46:45  
Hugh, I'm beginning to side with the more recent posts. Although Farm Doctor deserved to have his post deleted, he smelled the rat right off. My post yesterday was a bit skeptical as well.

How does a prospective buyer know about year codes and nothing about the evolution of the H size tractors. We will never see high resolution pictures or a list of part numbers.

Sunny Dey may need help but I think he would be better off going to a psychiactric site.

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Hugh MacKay

02-14-2007 07:11:40




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to Wardner, 02-14-2007 06:14:42  
Wardner: Amen to that.



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D Slater

02-13-2007 20:09:20




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
The 350 D engine used a injection pump on left side mounted in a partly vertical position. If the rearward housings have a Z on them there either a last year SH or a early 300. SH housings serial # plate located on left side of tractor. 300 serial plate postion on right side. Those could be modified though,also someone that went to trouble to build tractor like that with the know how could change the date code letters. Where the center housing bolts to transmission if you can only see one bolt at top on both sides its H or SH rear. If starter is closer to right side of tractor it doesn't match a Z code housing unless a replacement. How about a picture, I'm not sure you are not pulling our leg. Apology given if I'm wrong.

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Janicholson

02-13-2007 19:14:52




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Though comparitively rare, the tractor was never made at an IH factory. It is spliced together from two tractors. Probably a SH for sheetmetal,and a 350 for all running gear. They are nice, and curiosity provolking units. I hope it was sold to you with as reasonable price. My guess would be 3500 if it is in good paint with good to great rubber, and a very tidy transformation into a interesting useful tractor. Good luck with it. If it was sold as a diesel SH on the paperwork, and you paid too much, you would have reason to get your money back. JimN

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Bob M

02-13-2007 19:11:20




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
IHC never built a diesel Super H. Most likely someone transplanted the Continental diesel engine out of Farmall 350D into your Super H.

Are there any identifying marks (nameplate, etc) on the engine on yours??



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Hugh MacKay

02-13-2007 19:07:25




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Sonny: CNKS is right IH never made an H or Super H diesel, In fact they never made a 300 diesel. The did have a 350 diesel but even that diesel was built by Continental.

Any diesel you saw in an H or SH is a conversion.



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LA in Wi.

02-14-2007 08:27:38




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to Hugh MacKay, 02-13-2007 19:07:25  

I think our Dandy is confused with that "Tri-Directional Essix" I read about some time ago.



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CNKS

02-13-2007 19:00:39




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 Re: 1954 Super H diesel in reply to SonnyDey, 02-13-2007 18:53:01  
Not factory, it is a conversion.



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