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BD-144 BD154 starting issues

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td5doug

01-03-2007 14:03:11




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Most of the people I have talked to about the BD-144 diesel seem to agree that they are a miserable starting engine. If the glow plugs arn't up to snuff, forget it they won't start. The saying goes " If the sun goes behind a cloud for 10 min, you will need the glow plugs. Mine is no exception & I just excepted that this was the nature of the beast. But now I wonder, My dad has the use of a B434 AG tractor for around his place & it has the BD-154 which is the same basic engine as the BD-144 with a .250" larger bore. The 154 starts like a dream compared to my 144. I know the 144 in my dozer is in good shape, fresh rebuild, inj p/p & injectors serviced, pump spill timed to engine etc, it starts about the same as before it was rebuilt.
The 154 in the B434 has a questionable history, & to say the least is long in the tooth. So what are the differences between the 2 engines:

My BD-144C : 1959 model with early style CAV BPE 4A 70R inline injection pump, Injector opening pressure = 2150 to 2200 psi.
19.3:1 compression ratio. Compression pressure = 475 to 525 psi @ 1750 RPM (???)

Specs from book on BD-154 show:
CAV Model DPA rotary style injection pump, Injector opening pressure = 2350 to 2450 psi.
23.0:1 compression ratio. Compression = 445 to 470 psi @ cranking speed.

Also found some specs on BD-144A:
Same fuel specs as the BD-154 but with a 21.1:1 compression ratio, compression= 330 to 355 psi @ cranking speed.

So from what I see so far,the increase in compression ratio along with the increase in Injection pressure on the 154 would be benificial to starting.

Anyone with experiences or insite into these little Gems, please jump in

Doug

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td5doug

01-04-2007 09:03:04




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 Re: BD-144 BD154 starting issues in reply to td5doug, 01-03-2007 14:03:11  
JB2, you pretty well describe to a tee how the 434 @ dads starts, Richard your descriptions of the inline pump are my 144 exactly. First start of the day, set fuel lever to full, engage cold start(excess fuel) button on pump, hold glow plugs for ++ 60 seconds untill indicator is glowing cherry. Start... Fart,bobble, stumble & lots of white smoke & hopefully she gets to firing on all 4 & cleans up.
With this older BPE fuel system I need glow plugs to restart after 10 minutes of rest like you say, The 154 with rotary pump will start all day long as long as there is some residual heat left in the engine.

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FromJB2

01-03-2007 17:29:39




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 Re: BD-144 BD154 starting issues in reply to td5doug, 01-03-2007 14:03:11  
Hi, we had B414D 434D & 384D all with the BD154 Diesel engine. I live in eastern Canada where a normal winter average temperature is about -10C.
The tractors were stored in an open shed and with
electric in line coolant heaters in the lower rad hose and turning the heater on for an hour was all that was required for a sure start with winter Diesel fuel. Also would never have to use the glow plugs to start again that day unless tractor was shut off for 3 or 4 hours.
Any other time of the year use the glow plugs once in the morning and good for the day.

JB2

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richard in nz

01-03-2007 14:38:10




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 Re: BD-144 BD154 starting issues in reply to td5doug, 01-03-2007 14:03:11  
Yep, the rotary pump tractors start easier. There was a parralel wired glow plug conversion kit available for these tractors in England which was said to improve starting but I have never tried one myself so cant really comment on the usefullness of it. Those engines are indirect injection so they do need the use of heaters even if only stopped for a few minutes, A B450 tractor that I had also needed the excess fuel button on the inline pump operated on the first cold start of the day, even then some times it would start and then stop again when the govenor cut in and the cold start had to be done again in freezing conditions.

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