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Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels

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Weldin Man

11-17-2006 17:40:00




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Both the 560 and 660 diesels have the same CI. Engines [282 Ci.] But the 660 produces approx 20 more Horsepower. I know that the 560 is rated at 1800 RPM and the 660 is rated at 2400 Rpm.My question is, can the 560 be made into a 660 by simply turning up the RPM or does the pump have to be recalibrated and the injectors changed.will the 660 produce more horsepower at a lower RPM than a 560? Thanks for your input.

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Hugh MacKay

11-18-2006 02:32:42




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Weldin Man, 11-17-2006 17:40:00  
I think Wardner is basically correct when he states about same hp at same rpm. 40+ years ago I wanted a bit more than 1800 rpm on my 560 running a forage harvester. We turned it to around 2200 with hp results around 75 hp. Not really a whole lot different from a 660 or 706.

I later got an IH technician involved in pump settings and we achived 105 hp at 2200 rpm. We later cut it back to 90 hp and ran it that way for 11,000 hours. At 11,000 hours it did deposit a couple of pistons in the middle of barn yard, on a silo blower. Interesting part on that one is it was an aftermarket piston and sleeve kit with only very few hours that blew up. I've never been sure whether piston and sleeve kit or the rebuilder was the problem. 560 was still the most economical hp I've ever run. We got a lot more hours out of 656, however it was all at 2000 rpm and 65 hp.

The bottom line is, I've never made as much profit in a given year, as I did in the late 60s, early 70s farming with 560D and 656D. I've never matched it in actual dollars since, let alone give consideration for inflation.

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Ron in Nebr

11-17-2006 21:32:04




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Weldin Man, 11-17-2006 17:40:00  
The replies below regarding HP ratings are correct, but technically you CAN'T "make a 560 into a 660" just by upping the HP.

I'm not positive on the specifics, but the 660 was a heavier tractor with different planetary style final drives. Wardner and others can give ya the details as to exactly what the 660 rearend was.

You probably knew that, just thought I'd point it out in case anyone reading wasn't familiar with 660's.

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Wardner

11-17-2006 22:41:34




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Ron in Nebr, 11-17-2006 21:32:04  
The differential gears are the same for all 560's and the 660. I am not getting into tooth counts in the transmission because there are "notes" A thru F and my dyslexia cannot cope with that kind of overload unless it is necessary.

The increased RPM of the 660 is offset with the planetary hubs at the end of the axles. 560's and the 660 have nearly the same top speed. I read somewhere recently that the planetary setup adds 1500 lbs to the 660.

So basically the 660 is different in the taller hood at front of tractor due to the larger radiator. Extension on the cowl dog legs were attached with spot welds. The grill is the same but a cast iron spacer is added beneath it. The badge is obviously different. The fan and shroud are different. Everything else remains the same until you get to the axle shafts, their housings, hubs, wheels, wheel weights, and tires. Attachments like drawbars may be different but I don't know. They are confusing. The 650 (not a typo) and 660 use the same draw bar but carry different numbers. The drawbar struts on the two tractors are certainly different.

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low budget

11-17-2006 20:14:02




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Weldin Man, 11-17-2006 17:40:00  
I don't know if this really answers your question but when a friend of mine wanted his 656 set to 706 specs the only difference was rpm and type of advance mechanism. The 656 is 1800 rpm with "load advance" and the 706 is 2300 rpm with "speed advance". The fuel setting is the same as far as amount of fuel per revolution. Believe it or not.



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Wardner

11-17-2006 19:35:18




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Weldin Man, 11-17-2006 17:40:00  
This question came up a couple of weeks ago. I checked my parts book and the 560 and 660 use the same pump and injectors. There are early and late models of both items. They were switched at the same tractor number.

One would have to assume that both tractors were built on the same line. At some point, somebody must have adjusted the pumps for the tractor they were installed on.

I think it is safe to say that a 560 and 660 will test nearly the same at the same RPM.

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billde

11-17-2006 19:49:58




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Wardner, 11-17-2006 19:35:18  
Just for curiousity check and see if the cam and valve numbers are the same. If so then the difference is purely pump settings.



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Wardner

11-17-2006 22:04:43




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to billde, 11-17-2006 19:49:58  
The valves and cams are the same. There are early and late valves.

The only differences in the power units that I know of are the radiator and the fan. The 660's radiator is three inches taller. The 560 uses a five bladed fan and the 660 uses a six bladed fan. BTW, I could use a 660 fan. I am currently using a four bladed M fan which works well. I suppose I could find the right fan on a 656 or 706.

Speaking of fans, I was surprised to find that my fanbelt appears to be original. It has an IH part # and traces of red overspray. I am installing a Fisher snowplow pump and had to change it last week.

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billde

11-17-2006 18:50:08




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 Re: Farmall 560 and 660 Diesels in reply to Weldin Man, 11-17-2006 17:40:00  
injectors are interchangeable between early style 560 & 660, same with late style. You cannot however mix early & late styles. The pumps look the same assuming they are the same style. You can turn the rpm's up on the 560 but not sure what you will get for HP without opening up the torque screw.



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