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Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads!

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Steven@AZ

10-30-2006 18:01:57




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Talk about IH history and a major collectible item! Wish I could have it...

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james van waardhuizen

11-02-2006 23:01:57




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
I grew up in the cab of a 3588, ours was never dualled and worked great. Dad bought it new in '79 and we kept it until '90(stupid move on our part). In that timeframe we put 10+K. hours on it and replaced the clutch twice, the T/A once, and some other minor items like driveshafts, hydaulic pumps etc. Like someone else said, they were never intended to be turned up with duals, if they were they had final drive and front axle issues(too much power with too much traction). Ours was used year around for just about everything. It was different to drive but it was never akward in anything it was used for. I'd take a 2+2 any day over the MFWD's for the simple fact that there is no need to add ballast to the frontend no matter how heavy the load on the 3pt. and it would still be able to turn (try carrying a 12 row semi-mounted planter and be able to turn with it down W/O adding weights to the frontend!).

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El Toro

10-31-2006 16:46:30




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
Does anyone know what the max drawbar pull on this tractor would be in pounds pulling at the drawbar? Hal
PS: We had a mobile field dynamometer for measuring that.



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pensfan

10-31-2006 10:50:45




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
I believe Jay Graber near Parker South Dakota has one of the prototype's in his shed.



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Tracy G.

10-31-2006 10:02:11




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
while the 2+2 is a unigue part of IH history..... ..what a morphidite to operate even out in an open field.



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Steven@AZ

10-31-2006 11:58:43




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Tracy G., 10-31-2006 10:02:11  
I assume that you have operated one?

Our neighbors use theirs for field work (cultivating, seeding, etc.) along with using it on the hydro swing mower conditioner and baler - basically they do everything with it!



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Dave from MN

10-31-2006 05:53:50




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
Ya have to admit one of THE best looking tractors ever. A 2+2 ( not sure what size) was the key to getting 40+ acres of farmland back into production that had been flooded and truned into a swamp for a few years due to poor county road ditching and some very wet years at the uncles place. Our biggest machines back in the early 80's were turboed 806's so seeing that awesome tractor coming in and getting that gound broke up to dry out was sure something for me being 13 or so. Never got to drive it, only my older cousin and uncle were allowed to run it per the owner. Curious, what were the mech problems on the 2+2's, have been temped to buy one many times when I see them.

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teddy52food

10-31-2006 05:30:46




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
If you want it, just go get it. Remember, you'll never see a Brinks truck following a hearse to the grave.



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Brian2

10-30-2006 19:35:50




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
Why is this tractor so rare? Just cause of the size??



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dhermesc

10-31-2006 05:33:52




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Brian2, 10-30-2006 19:35:50  
The 2+2 was an idea that never did sell well or perform up to expectations. They were an idea to make a front wheel assist tractor that was more rugged then the conventional steering front drive axles we see today. The 2+2 tractors were plagued with mechanical problems and poor fuel economy while trying to sell in one of the worst farm economies since the Depression (if not worse). They are rare but so are Delorans and Edsels.

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bermuda ken

10-31-2006 07:53:13




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 2+2 history................... in reply to dhermesc, 10-31-2006 05:33:52  
IH sold alot of 2+2 tractors. They built over 11,500 of the 30-60-Super 70 series tractors combined.

They were not plagued by mechanical problems any more than any other tractor. The problem with most of them was the driver. They thought they had bought a baby STEIGER and ran it as such. They were row crop tractors, not baby STEIGERS.

When used for row crop farming, the 2+2 would walk all over any other comparable HP fwa tractor made.

The poor farm economy of the 1980's killed EVERY brand of tractors sales too, not just the 2+2.

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dhermesc

10-31-2006 08:48:11




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 Re: 2+2 history................... in reply to bermuda ken, 10-31-2006 07:53:13  
First let's talk sales. Almost 11,500 of all models of the 2+2 where sold ranging in power from 130 hp to 200+ hp over 7 years. That is less the half the number of 1466s sold over the course of 5 years. That is also less then 2/3s the number of 1486s sold in from 1976 to 1981. It’s a lot easier and cheaper to roll off several of the same model then it is to roll several different versions of a model.

The 2+2 was a row crop tractor, and it had the same power as the 2wds that IH was manufacturing at the same time. Granted the 2+2 did have better traction and field compaction but it came at a price - normally a 40% to 50% premium in price over a 2WD tractor of similar HP, when you factor in that premium with a 20% financing rate and you’ve already lost any cost savings advantage. I don't know the "Official" numbers but it was also generally accepted that they burned more fuel per hour except when used under the heaviest load.

Then there is the issue of using the tractor for other duties besides tillage. It is not at all uncommon for general farmers to use a 1486 or a 5288 for hay and feeding chores, the 2+2 was an extremely awkward animal for duties like that.

Finally there is the reliability issue. Our local IH dealer never pushed the 2+2 on customers after their own experience with the three models they purchased (one in 1979, one in 1980 and one in 1981). They still had all three in inventory when Case took over. They farmed a huge amount of acreage and used it as a test ground. They had numerous problems with clutches, transmissions, and drive shafts. In addition their shop had problems correctly diagnosis issues with little factory support. Our dealer hardly wanted to sell something they knew would need service when their own service department experience was less then favorable.

Then there is history. The 2+2 style was only made by IH; no other manufacturer copied the design for row crop use, but today all manufacturers offer front wheel assist. The tractor was too expensive to build and operate for the benefits it offered. The fact Case dropped the entire design within weeks of their take over gave evidence of their opinion of the tractor.

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BOBM25

10-31-2006 09:26:44




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 Re: 2+2 history................... in reply to dhermesc, 10-31-2006 08:48:11  
Yeah, about 8 years ago we started shopping for one. The big tractor on the farm was still 2wd and we needed more. We went to a couple auctions and some dealers. Decided they were kinda halfway between something and nothin. Glad we went to a 7130 FWA instead. 2+2's are a cool piece of IH history though.



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MN Scott

10-30-2006 19:45:55




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Brian2, 10-30-2006 19:35:50  
Only 36 7288's were made and less than 5 7488's before Case bought IH ag division and ended production of the 2+2.



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K.B.-826

10-30-2006 18:13:40




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Steven@AZ, 10-30-2006 18:01:57  
Any 7488 would be neat to have, let alone the first one. That is without a doubt one of the true rare tractors. Mabey if everyone here on this forum puts in $500 we can buy it. We"ll each get it for a couple days a year.



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the tractor vet

10-30-2006 21:01:23




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to K.B.-826, 10-30-2006 18:13:40  
Ah just go out in the back yard and did up a couple of your hidden Mason jars and buy it. It's only money and ya can't take it with ya.



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Harley

10-30-2006 18:56:45




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to K.B.-826, 10-30-2006 18:13:40  
Wouldn't never work KB. First I'd havta add some more wheels to it, Sloroll would havta put wings on it, and Allan would havta give it a paint job, and ..... ..... ...well you get my drift. Harley



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w gatewood

10-31-2006 04:37:02




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 Re: Wish I had the $$$... 7488 in photo ads! in reply to Harley, 10-30-2006 18:56:45  
to correct the number produced there were 19 7288 and 16 7288 tractors and two pre proto type tractors produced. and the owner of the 7488 listed states it's a 1986 it is a 1984. i was a orignal owner of one of the 7288 tractors. so i know the history very well



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