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826 Front End/Steering

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Jim Allen

09-18-2006 07:22:19




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Spent a little time working on tractor "round-to-its" this weekend. Looked at the loose steering on my 826 (adj front). The arms are loose on the spindles. When I pulled the arms off, I found the splines very worn on the arms but good on the spindles. There is no discerable slop in the bushings, so I'm hoping to just replace the arms. Here are three numbered pics that tell the tale and below are my questions related to those pics.

1) Left side, arm removed. The c-clip on the left is pretty buggered up and is gone on the right. What does it do? The splines look pretty good on the spindle.
2) The splines in the arms are really worn This is the left. The right is much worse.
3) Just for grins, here is how they tried to tighten up the arms on the right. The washer was tack welded to the arm. The parts book I have shows no washer at all. I'll probably replace this nut.

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the tractor vet

09-18-2006 07:35:28




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to Jim Allen, 09-18-2006 07:22:19  
That snap ring is just a stop and the one arm with the set screws sure is not factory .Now you can try new steering arms but i am affarid that you will need to replace the spindels , i was looken in my old books to see if there was and under size for the arms for that one and there is not for the 66-86 seires ft. end there are under sized arms . So i think that ya need two new spindels two new snap rings and two arms . Also they are not interchangeable as there are a left and a right.

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Jim Allen

09-18-2006 07:55:34




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to the tractor vet, 09-18-2006 07:35:28  
Tractor Vet- I hear you, but given the price of the arms alone, I'm gonna try them first before I drop another $350 on spindles. Thought you might like those set screws! When I pulled 'em up tighter, that side actually tightened right up. For how long I don't know. Anyway, in another few years and uncounted dollars, I'll have this 8100 hour tractor in half decent shape! The TA has been hitting 100 percent this season... hasn't missed a lick.

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Andy Martin

09-18-2006 10:04:31




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to Jim Allen, 09-18-2006 07:55:34  
When you have decided you need new spindles and arms, you can vee out the top of the arms and put a good weld between the spindle and arm. It is not too hard to remove the spindle later and you may find the weld last's your lifetime.

Use stainless rod.



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the tractor vet

09-19-2006 08:14:45




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to Andy Martin, 09-18-2006 10:04:31  
Ya don't have to use Stainless rod 7018 will do fine if ya know how to weld . And that is one thing that realy stand my fur up on the back of the neck when someone farmerizes it . to me that just knocked a grand off the price of a tractor.



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Andy Martin

09-19-2006 10:35:54




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to the tractor vet, 09-19-2006 08:14:45  
I agree completely. Most of the steering arm weld jobs are poorly done and crack out anyway.

That is why I was careful to say ONLY after you decide you need new spindles and arms should you weld on them. I should have added if you don't have the money for new parts.

Stainless like 309 is really good for welders who are not so good and will join most alloys which are weldable, including high strength and high alloy. And it works well with cracker box welders. When I don't know the metallurgy I grab the 309.

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Ed1

09-19-2006 10:02:45




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to the tractor vet, 09-19-2006 08:14:45  
Since the arms are cast your going to need a welding rod for cast iorn - the ones with a lot of nickle in them that are real expensive.

Preheat the arms - line it all up - weld it - only the top though. I like to use 5/16 rods on this.

I'm not too keen on the 701x, or 601x rods for cast as welds form this composition of rod tend to crack. Preheating the cast reduces this but the rods for cast iron plus heating will give you the best result.

The resulting weld will last longer than the original spline.

By the way I did hear of a guy who cuts the arm and welds flanges so you can tighten it like a clamp. Never got his name or contact info.

Good luck

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Andy Martin

09-19-2006 10:56:48




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to Ed1, 09-19-2006 10:02:45  
There is no reason to use cast iron rod on cast steel. It will work OK, but so does 7018 or 6010. I would use E309 just because it will do better with the spindle, whatever it's metallurgy is, and there is not enough weld metal to worry about the rod price.

Cast iron rod is soft enough it might give under the loads on this joint.



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the tractor vet

09-18-2006 08:30:50




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 Re: 826 Front End/Steering in reply to Jim Allen, 09-18-2006 07:55:34  
I know to well on the price of parts and the limited check book problem . As for the T/A just keep the adjustment up and do not use it for brakeing and it will last a long time. My 806 went over 8700 hours this year and the bad part is that everybody and there brother uses it as it is the most dependable tractor that is used but it is still the uglyest one .



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