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Tank Heater Placement On 806D

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Harlen Larson

09-07-2006 21:02:28




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Which heater hose is the proper place to install a tank heater?




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Harlen Larson

09-08-2006 20:59:22




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Harlen Larson, 09-07-2006 21:02:28  
Thanks Hugh, I didn't expect that long a discussion on my simple question :)
I have a hose from the port in the head about half way back that goes around the back of the engine and connects at the block drain on the other side, I'll connect it there. Thanks for your help!!



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Hugh MacKay

09-09-2006 01:41:02




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Harlen Larson, 09-08-2006 20:59:22  
Harlen: I had a feeling block drain was on opposite side on 806. I was very lucky, my engines all had block drain directly below the port on the head. The circulating heaters I had were cylinder shaped, about 7-8" long and 3" in diameter. I found they worked best if you could position them upright so discharge was directly above the inlet. That free flow of hot coolant going up and return coming to the bottom of heater is quite important.

I your case I'd be tempted to mount the heater just below the port on the head, then run the hose from the block drain under the engine. I'd be afraid of the hose on top of clutch housing lying too flat. Basically what your trying to do here is run a hot water heating system without a circulating pump. Techincally it's very similar to thermosyphon in the Super A. The better you can make flow, the more effective it will be.

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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2006 00:55:11




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Harlen Larson, 09-07-2006 21:02:28  
Harlen: I think I'd stay away from heater hoses, I'd be afraid the heated coolant would circulate up to the heater and back, and not go to block until it cooled substancially.

I'm not familiar with the 806 block. The 282 in the 560, 656 and 706 was an ideal candidate. I had two of these and hooked between block drain and a port in the head, about half way back the engine. The 282 has a port above each injector on the head, that goes into coolant chamber. This put the hottest coolant right in the head next to the ignition point. From there it circulated down through block and back to heater.

My heaters were 1500 watt and I could plug them in 2 hours at -30 and it would be just like a summertime start. I've seen the block warm, and both heater hoses and radiator both still cold. I did my 404 Deere the same way, and all three worked very well.

These tank heaters do have one downfall, they rust out after 6 to 10 years. I went to plug my Deere in one morning and most of the coolant was on the ground. It may not have been the heaters fault, it did have quite a dinge on side of tank, which probably took years off it's life. The heaters on my 282s actually lasted longer, but probably didn't get used as often.

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teddy52food

09-08-2006 06:06:06




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2006 00:55:11  
If you can get to a frost (core) plug, put a heater in there. No heat loss from hoses. Try to get it in the center of the block.



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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2006 06:39:19




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to teddy52food, 09-08-2006 06:06:06  
teddy: To heck with the damn frost plug, put the hot coolant right in the head, so it warms the ignition chamber. That will fire up that diesel faster than any other system.



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teddy52food

09-08-2006 10:18:27




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2006 06:39:19  
Warm cylinders will allow the starter to turn it faster than when they are stiff with cold oil. Turning fast is what starts a diesel.



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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2006 18:05:11




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to teddy52food, 09-08-2006 10:18:27  
teddy: I can readily see you've not had a lot of experience starting diesels in excessively cold climates. To start with heat rises, thus block heaters of any description warm the crankcase very little.

I've seen 400 to 800 cubic inch diesels cranked for 10 min. at 1,200 to 1,500 rpm, much faster than any electric starter will turn them, and never so much as fire even a little bit. You plug that same engine in with a 1,500 watt circulating block heater for a couple of hours, crank it at 800 rpm and it will be going in 10 seconds. I could site you hundreds of examples at temperatures down to -40F, where it took one of two things; upper engine heat or ether.

I've seen them towed, air starters that never give up, yet it takes that heat in the ignition chamber to make them fire.

In the far north they use propane and oil fired circulating block heaters continuous just to keep a running diesel going, it takes the added heat to keep ignition chamber warm enough to fire. I briefly drove one of these trucks last winter, and was advised to use it if engine operating temperature dropped below 160 F. These also serve as a block heater and hot water furnace should you have to spend the night in the bunk. I never got to enjoy that.

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Andy Martin

09-08-2006 07:05:46




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2006 06:39:19  
Can we take it that you are relatively firm on that opinion? :-)



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Hugh MacKay

09-08-2006 07:15:28




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Andy Martin, 09-08-2006 07:05:46  
Andy: You did strike my funny spot. I guess my biggest gripe with teddy, is there is nothing efficient about a block heater, lets face it you are trying to warm up a 1,000 lb. chunk of steel, with air around it anywhere from 0 to -40F. I guess if you wanted it to be efficient you might take the tractor to bed with you, or at least a heated shed.



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Andy Martin

09-08-2006 07:54:47




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 Re: Tank Heater Placement On 806D in reply to Hugh MacKay, 09-08-2006 07:15:28  
Glad you got my point.

Of course what he is trying to do is get all the heat into engine he can. Your point is well taken, heating the engine is not the goal, starting the tractor is, and getting the heat into the head is what starts the tractor.



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