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400560

08-18-2006 18:44:47




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I have a question. I have a 400Ih and also a 560 Ih could anyone tell me home many bottoms they are supposed to pull. I thought the 560 was a 5 bottom, but cannot comfirm this without some help. thanks




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400560

08-19-2006 15:42:30




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
What did IH say these tractors would pull?? i am intersted in what the factory said they could pull instead of what they actually pull. we all know that you talk up what you are trying to sell.. thanks to everyone for the replies so far.



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Hugh MacKay

08-20-2006 01:50:52




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-19-2006 15:42:30  
There are just too many variables to accurately answer your questions. Bear in mind we in Canada did not get the same buyers guide as in the US. Our guide called the 300 a 2-3 plow tractor and the 400 a 3-4 plow tractor. I don't remember what they called the 350 and 450, however the 460 was called a 4 plow tractor and the 560 was 5 plow.

I always considered the 300-400 ratings far more realistic than the 460-560 ratings. Two factors come into play here; 1st by the mid 1950s and into the 60s, IH management was starting to completely loose touch with reality and secondly farmers were gradually starting to move from trailer plows to mounted or semi-mounted plows. Draft control on the 450 and 560 hitches made a huge difference in the amount tractor ballast, versus number of bottoms and type of plow. Now, I will agree those first IH draft controlled hitches were mickey mouse affairs, but they did work when the tractor was new. By the time IH got 06 tractors on the market they had it right. From 06 through to 86 series tractors IH had the very best draft controlled hitch on the market. That left only one problem, and that being user ability.

On your question of how much the tractors would pull, I don't ever recall IH making any statments in guides on that matter. There are just too many variables to advertize what a certain tractor would pull. IH management were not the sharpest knives in the drawer, but I also don't think they were stupid enough to say a 560 will pull XXXXX XX tons. Basically you were refered to Nebraska tests and that controlled envoirnment and testing.

Remember also the tractor with the most drawbar pull was not necessarily the most efficient tractor to farm with. You go back through Nebraska tests, two factors they give you that are very important; horsepower hours per gallon of fuel and PTO hp in relation to drawbar hp. It's one thing to have big hp, but takes an efficient power train to put in on the ground.

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Aces

08-19-2006 19:59:51




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-19-2006 15:42:30  
400560 Like I said the demo at that time was 4-14's with fast hitch, they advertised 4-14 for the 450.



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Aces

08-19-2006 09:51:20




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
450560 When the 450 came out new IH had a demo program with 450. The tractor had a double set so the dealer could set with the farmer so demo the tractor and fast hitch. The plow was 4-14's 2 point hitch. The one our dealer plowed many acers with the 4-14's and it was the top 450 in our area always run right 60 horse. As for the 656 I know of one for sure that pulled 4-16 8 10" deep in good black bottom soil. Many 560 in werstern IA 4-16 some 5-16.

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Leroy

08-19-2006 04:45:29




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
2 neighbors, one had 4-14" JD pultype on 400 deisel, other had 3-14" fast hitch on 400 gas, pulling in same type of ground, the 3 bottob could cover as much in a day as the 4 bottom. This is in jackwax clay. The 400 was rated as 4 plow with the 560 rated as 5 but as the other poster said, drop 1 bottom off of each



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Allan In NE

08-19-2006 04:56:38




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to Leroy, 08-19-2006 04:45:29  
Hi Leroy,

You bet. That "manufacture's plow rating" is at the very least misleading. IH was in the business of selling tractors, not turning dirt in the real world.

Allan



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Allan In NE

08-19-2006 04:36:07




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
Mornin',

I'm with Gene on this one. Unless you're in sand, the M thru 400 will handle 2-14s and the 560 thru 686 tractors plow nicely with 3-14s.

You'll see lots of fellas pulling more bottoms, but you'll also notice that they have to sacrifice depth and proper coverage to do it.

Allan



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gene bender

08-19-2006 03:11:18




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
soil conditions can vary a bunch good old black gumbo on a river bottom three and two mite be plenty or even some good alfalfa will make em pull.



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Jr64

08-18-2006 19:21:05




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to 400560, 08-18-2006 18:44:47  
The 560's were rated as a five plow tractor and the 400's were rated at four bottoms, but I it'd be much better to drop a bottom for each.



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Thack

08-19-2006 10:16:01




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 Re: plowing capabilities in reply to Jr64, 08-18-2006 19:21:05  
You will get a lot if different answers and the reason is soil type. For example a 3-16" plow in 5" sandy soil requires 600lbs of pull but in 8" of gumbo it is 7680lbs....a 7000lb difference.

If you live in Indiana the 400 would be a 3 bottom and the 560 a 4 bottom but if you live on the prairie I'd listen to Allan.



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