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Saginaw 3pt ???

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SDE

07-11-2006 15:15:56




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I was looking at the pictures of their 3pt. How long are the arms and how low to the ground will they go? The horseshoe is left on the tractor and it appears that the end of the arm can not go any lower than that. Is there a standard height and depth that the arms should go? I have seen tractors that the arms were only inches off the ground. How far behind the tire should the arms extend? Someone posted that he made his 49" long. Wouldn't that raise an implement real high?

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Jack-Iowa

07-11-2006 18:19:20




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to SDE, 07-11-2006 15:15:56  
Nope no probs, I have used a plow ,tiller,bushhog and a blade as well as a post hole digger and bale spear.
Works well and easy with all of it and I have the drawbar on.



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CNKS

07-11-2006 17:20:52




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to SDE, 07-11-2006 15:15:56  
The Saginaw is about as perfect as an aftermarket hitch gets. I have one on a Super H and one on a C. I know of no implements that have mounting points lower than the drawbar. If there is, just take the drawbar off, it is easily removed. The lift arms are definitely not too long either.



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sde

07-12-2006 03:38:06




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to CNKS, 07-11-2006 17:20:52  
Does the Saginaw attach to the axle housing only, or do they use the mount holes in the side of the center housing? I had intended to copy the system that is on a coworkers M, but now I think I will try to keep my original hitch. My 400 has some 3/4 inch mount holes on each side of the housing. Can I use them for mounting a 3 point?



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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2006 18:26:34




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to CNKS, 07-11-2006 17:20:52  
CNKS: How is the hitch lifted on your C ? Do you use an external rod to front rockshafts or a remote hydraulic cylinder? I am presently fabricating a 3 point kit for my Farmall 130 currently equiped with 1 point fast hitch. On the surface this looks quite easy and the hitch linkage was. I used MF 35 lower links, welded 1"x3" plate on edge on top of fast hitch wish bone, to put Cat I pins in to hook on lower links. I used a U bolt type clamp on rear rockshaft for hooking the top link. To change from 1 point to 3 point all I need do is pull the hair pins on vertical linkage, drop my 1 point pull bar and install lower links, or vice versa, about 5 min. will make the change over.

The kicker is that rear rockshaft, in my case mounted on the fenders, and the linkage going to the front rockshaft. Regardless of whether I'm going to use 1 point or 3 point I've got to rebuild that setup. I'm afraid after 47 years those fenders aren't going to stand the weight and if I don't do something, I'm going to bend up a couple of perfectly good fenders. My plan is to run 3/4 x 4 inch plate up from final drives and mount rear rockshaft on top of those. Over the years I've broken the linkage going to, and the front rockshaft as well. I am considering putting a remote valve and cylinder on tractor to operate the rear rockshaft. Just wondered if you had the remote cylinder set up from Saginaw? Also how well does it lift? I know those remote setups on SC and 200 for fast hitch, the weight on front of tractor is the lifting limit. If the Saginaw valve and cylinder will lift like those fast hitches, then I know my rockshaft must be removed from the fenders.

I am also looking at designing and fabricating my own lower link sencing draft control to operate on either the 1 point or my 3 point. That is another story, and by the time I'm done the hitch will be worth 3 times value of tractor. Maybe I'll put it on the market, problem is no one will buy it. Oh well, I'll just keep investing money in these old tractors, there has to be money in them, I've never got any out.

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CNKS

07-11-2006 19:58:39




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2006 18:26:34  
I don't have a rear rockshaft for my Super A, need to get one sometime. Far as I know Saginaw does not make a 3 point for the SA, worksaver does and uses the front rockshaft, along with the connection to the rear, (I think). My C has a cylinder along with a Saginaw supplied block between the reservoir and the touch control lines. I have a spool valve on the light bar, not as clean as the factory remote because of all the hoses. As you know the factory setup is a lever attached to a rod that in turn is attached to the reservoir manifold. I have no way to compare them, but I would guess it will lift as much as the fast hitch. I suppose I should put a block under one arm and see if it will lift one rear wheel off the ground, but if I do that I have nothing to gain and a blown seal in the reservoir to lose, so I doubt if I do that. Also with the remote, I notice no difference in the up and down movement of the implement, as my weak Super A system does. I repaired the reservoir and pump before I used it though.

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Easy

07-12-2006 02:39:12




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to CNKS, 07-11-2006 19:58:39  
I have a Saginaw hitch on my H. I don't know the maximum lift in lbs, but it will pick both rear wheels off the ground. I know thats down pressure, but it should be the same as the lift?



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Hugh MacKay

07-11-2006 20:43:31




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to CNKS, 07-11-2006 19:58:39  
CNKS: As you know I've had my SA and 130 a long time. I have never had any hydraulic problems. The weak point with the rear 1 point hitch is the rockshaft arm that hitch linkage hooks to, as well as the linkage itself going to the rear rockshaft. I have never liked the idea of that rear rockshaft being mounted on the fenders. When plowing with moldboard plow, I've seen side movement on fender ends as plow comes out of the ground. Even the lowly Cub has it's rear rockshaft mounted on the final drives as I am proposing to do with my 130.

I'm not interested in a hitch from Worksaver, what they build for offsets is pure junk. I built a hitch like that 45 years ago. You can not operate a 3 point with lower links parallel, they must be at least 30% closer at tractor than implement. That is the only way 3 point will pull true and centered with tractor.

I have 4 quite heavy implements, and really all I'm looking for is hydraulic parts to modify my rear rockshaft. Your telling me your lift cylinder and the block to tee into the system came from Saginaw. Did you buy the control valve there as well? I presume that lift cylinder is basically 3" bore and standard implement cylinder re: length.

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CNKS

07-12-2006 05:29:23




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-11-2006 20:43:31  
The spool valve came from Saginaw, I don't know the brand, it's just a spool valve like those from any farm store, far as I know. And, I have always wondered why IH put the rear rockshaft on the fenders. About any other setup would be better. I never considered Worksaver after I found out about Saginaw. I haven't paid much attention to the cylinder (Cross?). As with most things with Saginaw I imagine it is larger than absolutely necessary. The C 3-point has 1 cylinder, the H-450 3-point 2. Actually the C 3 point is plenty heavy for the H, arms my be a different length, but it, also, is a good heavy duty hitch.

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Hugh MacKay

07-12-2006 08:15:16




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to CNKS, 07-12-2006 05:29:23  
CNKS: Thank you for that, I've been considering contacting Saginaw about the junction block, spool valve and possibly cylinder. I have the fabrication all complete on the hitch itself, it works great, I'm actually picking up a 3 point disk that I judge weighs between 650 and 800 lbs. The disk is tandem with 18" blades and 1-1/8" arbor bolts. The tractor handles this quite well even with disk arbor deep in soil. This kind of shoots my old argument of disks with 18" blades requireing 1.25 hp per blade. This disk has 24 blades and the tractor hikes along in 2nd gear. I can readily see I'll run out of traction before hp.

My main concern is that rear rockshaft, mounted on the fenders and the linkage to it being my weak link. If I'm going to use this disk much, I probably should go and buy 354 or 444 diesel, however currently I don't see that much use for one.

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CNKS

07-12-2006 17:21:55




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 Re: Saginaw 3pt ??? in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-12-2006 08:15:16  
I said Cross cylinders, actually they are Chief. According to my crude measurement with a tape, the cylinders are 3 inches OD.



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