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Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga on a

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55 50

06-24-2006 11:09:51




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Well, John T, and others who helped, I'm believing that the "L" terminal MUST be connected to something to make the regulator charge. Leaving the "L" terminal open, there is no charge. The regulator is new, but as others have said, "new" can also be bad. Generator does work as evidenced by approx 8 amps of charge with field terminal grounded.

If the correct theory for the "L" terminal says that it must have a load in order to function, then leaving it "open" means there is no load, hence "no worky" in my way of thinking. John you mentioned that you can use this regulator and ignore the "L" terminal. But in "ignoring" it, do you still connect it to "something" even though no load is passing through it?

Thanks for the discussion. This is really getting interesting. I haven't tried connecting the "L" to the electrical "loads" of the tractor. I first was curious as to what it would do with leaving it open and haven't gone to the next step.

Fire away with your theories, folks.

Oh, I'm a retired EE also, but 4 terminal voltage regulators were never in my work or training!!!

John, if you find a schematic diagram of a 4 term reg, I'd be interested in seeing it.

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John T

06-24-2006 17:18:39




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
55, I have seen them where the L terminal WAS NOT USED and they still worked fine i.e. I dont believe you need a load attached to them for it to work, UNLESS its unlike the 4 pole VR's Ive worked with..... .. GO AHEAD N WIRE SOME LIGHTS TO IT N SEE IF THE GENNY CHARGES THEN I RECKON!!

One more time,,,,, ,if loads like lights n ignition are fed from the VR's L terminal (thats what its for) the gennys current to feed them DOES NOT have to flow through the VR's Cutout relay and you get better regulation n less chance of overcharging if lights are on long periods

Regardless if its a 3 terminal with no L terminal or a 4 terminal with the L terminal, the cutout relay should still close (so gens output can get to n charge the batery) when the gennys output voltage rises higher then the battery and open otherwise like when the tractors off, so she dont discharge the battery n try n motor the genny. Sooooo o I still dont think it needs a load on L to close the cutout relay.

Nowwwww www you say it charges if you dead ground the gennys field but if it dont otherwise, Sooooo oo I dont blame the L terminal useage, I would normally say its a VR problem (Field current control relay not working),,,,, ,,,,or the VR doesnt have a good frame ground to the gennys case (try to ground the VR to genny better n see what happens!!!),,,,, ,,,,or the wires bad from Fld on Genny to Fld on VR.

THE VR ISNT WELL GROUNDED TO THE GENNY OR THE VR IS BAD IN MY OPINION if the gennys charges fine with the gennys Fld grounded but NOT otherwise.

Let us know, best wishes n God Bless

John T

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John M

06-24-2006 16:30:20




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
Did you polarize the regulator?



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55 50

06-24-2006 19:46:35




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to John M, 06-24-2006 16:30:20  
Yes, we did.



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CNKS

06-24-2006 13:45:37




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
This occurred to me after you posted -- Since you are changing from a cut-out relay to a voltage regulator -- the info I gave you is incorrect if your tractor has a magneto. Obviously you don't connect the L terminal to the grounding switch on a magneto. I don't think the magneto equipped tractors ever used a voltage regulator. I can be corrected, but I think when IH began using voltage regulators, they also went to distributers. I think what you need is the cutout relay diagram to see where you were and the voltage regulator diagram, the operator's manual for your H should have both. There are differences.

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Brownie 45

06-24-2006 13:24:05




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
To try the L terminal, connect a sealed beam headlight between the L terminal & ground while the engine is running with a voltmeter on the battery. See what the voltage does as you connect & disconnect the load.



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CNKS

06-24-2006 13:06:14




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
I am not an engineer or an electrician and think electricity is magic -- to rewire, I just use the operator's manual. On a 4 terminal Delco regulator -- L to ignition switch, Bat to ammeter, F to generator F, gen to generator A. This is for letter series tractors, I forget what you have.



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J Schwiebert

06-24-2006 12:42:12




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 Re: Continuing with the 4 terminal regulator saga in reply to 55 50, 06-24-2006 11:09:51  
I just read this. I take it this is for a generator (probably a Delco?) If it is we used to say the L terminal is where the wire to the Lights (L-load) went. You have A B F & L correct?



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