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Allan In NE

04-24-2006 08:37:32




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Hi Guys,

Local Tractor outlet store had a special on either the other day so I bought a case of the stuff.

My 310 has never started right when cold; anything below 50 degrees and she is just a crankin', smokin', belchin' mess.

Anyway, I change out the can and I think it has been empty since maybe 1981 or so. In the 40s yesterday morning and that ol sow was running with one "click" of the button and two revs; it has never, ever started that good since I've owned it.

Those engineers sure knew what they were doing when they installed the cold starting aid on the direct injection diesels.

Allan

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MidMiGene

04-24-2006 21:33:01




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-24-2006 08:37:32  
Hey Allen,
When I bought my 756D with the 310, the guy I got if from told me to pull the kill handle almost all of the way out, to start the engine when cold. It works like a "choke" on a gas engine. It actually give it more fuel or at a different time (I'm not sure what its does). Ever notice that when you pull the handle to kill the engine, if you don't pull far enough, the engine will speed up and not die. (At least mine does). It works well on mine. I can start my tractor without starting fluid down into the 30's. Start cranking it and hold the handle out part way until the engine catches good, then push the handle all the way in. If it starts to die, pull the handle back out part way until it catches again. Try it and let me know how it works for you. Gene

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Allan In NE

04-25-2006 02:50:01




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to MidMiGene, 04-24-2006 21:33:01  
Hi Gene,

Mine is an '80 model, so it doesn't have the kill handle; it is all built into the throttle handle like the American diesels.

Story is that the "sweet spot" is "just above" the "off" position on the throttle, which gives that 'extra push' to the fuel.

Guess I'm no different than anyone else in that I really don't like to give 'em a bath in either. But, that new can of soup sure made a completely different tractor out of it as far as the cold starting goes. :>)

Allan

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Quebec Red

04-24-2006 11:54:08




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-24-2006 08:37:32  
Yes, Allan those 310s, along with their short peckered brother, the 206s can be squirrelly things to start. Had the first farm diesel, an IH 624. these were a German build tractor with a 206 motor, similar to the 584-585 tractors. These 624s were not sold in the USA.They were equipped with an electric preheater, similar to a glow plug assembly, along with a 4D battery. However, my local dealer , having had years of experience with BD144-154 motors, and the 236-282 models, wisely included, as a no cost option, a 1500 watt recirculating block heater, plumbed such as the heater in was from the rad drain, and the heater out went to the bottom of the block; using the principal of physics, thet in Quebec, anyway, heat would rise. The output hose was about 6 inches long. That really heated the motor. Later 206s in tractors and windrowers, started easier. On my 310s, similar block heaters were installed. Ether was only used in emergencies. The newer 310s should start easier, having a higher compression pistons. But we learned always to park near the ext. cord, and to have an old blanket to protect from the wind. But hey...it was 65-73 degrees F here last week. No more snow. Most of the lads have their cereal and direct seed hay in. This weekend, and until Wednesday, rain. Then go like heck in the corn then soys..... QR..

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Dave from MN

04-24-2006 10:20:40




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to Allan In NE, 04-24-2006 08:37:32  
Yeah that stuff sure helps the 544D start when it is cold. Always cringe when I have to use it though, hearing some of the things people say it does to the engine.



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JT

04-24-2006 15:29:39




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to Dave from MN, 04-24-2006 10:20:40  
A little starting fluid will not hurt it unless you try to put too much in at once or you do not have the engine turning over when you give it a whiff a starting fluid. If you put too much in or are not turning the engine over, it will lock up the engine and then you have to let it sit for a while, but other than that, no harm in using it.



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captaink

04-24-2006 10:56:28




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 Re: Cold Starting in reply to Dave from MN, 04-24-2006 10:20:40  
I know what you mean by horror stories, but the ones I’ve heard (except for drying out the top end of the cylinders) have been from gross misuse of the starting fluid (like pumping in a whole can, then noticing the fuel hadn’t been turned on and then bam!). I don’t like to use it, but I’m not afraid to use a whiff in the Air intake or the starting aid system to get one rolling when it’s cold out.

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