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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 05:49:49




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Hi All,

We've got so much rain and snow here in the past two days that it is almost too wet to even drive down the county roads. Way, way sloppy.

So, I'm gonna tear into a problem I've been fightin' for a year now. My darned 310 diesel is getting hot after about an hour of hard pulling. The gauge very slowly creeps up to the hot peg.

If I stop the tractor and face it into the wind the temp comes down to about 3/4 on the gauge after about 5 minutes. Funny part is, when I take off the radiator cap to check it, the coolant is flowing and it just doesn't seem all that hot.

It is not boiling over at all, but it just makes me nervious with that gauge running over on "hot" peg all the time.

Somebody told me that the thermostat probably isn't opening all the way, so I've got a new one at the ready plus a new heat gauge. I've cleaned and flushed that radiator until I'm black in the face.

Anyone got any more ideas as to what else could be the problem?

Could the timing be slow 'er something? This tractor starts hard cold. If it is below 'bout 50 degrees, it had better be plugged in or else I have to give 'er a shot of either; below 40 and it absolutely will not start. If the outside temp is above 60 degrees, it doesn't turn over once and it's running.

Don't know if this has anything to do with it getting hot or not?

Thanks,

Allan

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P Backus

04-08-2006 07:35:11




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 05:49:49  
Ahhh, Allan, you just need to switch that over to a D282! Why don"t you send the 310 to me and in return I"ll send a disassembled 282? It"s never, ever overheated for me. (Of course i"ve never had it running either!)
I do know exactly what you mean about not being able to stand seeing that gauge up there. I couldn"t stand it either. I"m sure you know that overheating is more of a certain death to a diesel than a gas motor. If your luck holds it will be something simple. On my farm it"s always the big thing that"s gone wrong- never a blocked fuel line, always the injection pump-never a leaky oil cooler, always an engine overhaul.....
Paul

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the tractor vet

04-08-2006 07:28:50




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 05:49:49  
Allen all that comes to mind is that mabe a bad gauge, use a gauge that you can put into the top of the raditor and check the temp . there and also check the cap to make sure that it is holding pressure and you say that the air flow is good and no blocked fins also leaking compression into the cooling sysetem will do the same thing due to a leaking head gskt , a leaking injector tube and still never put water in the oil . I had a cracked injector tube on my old semi that drove me nuts as the only time that the temp went up is when i was realy running it hard and it would go up to about 205 to 210 and as soon as the shutters opened it would come down for the longest time i just thought that it was something to do with the shutters and one day i was installing new hopped up injectors and while i was cleaning out the injector tubes i had them all shined up and was looking down in #3 and there was this squiggly line from the bottom up the side about half way pulled that head and it had to be on #2 head where ya had to pull the intake and exhaust and intake off to get to it took it up to a buddys and we pressure tested it and low and behold it was cracked knocked that tube out and rolled a new one in and no more up and down temp.gauge . You may find that you will have to pull the head and have it planed down .010 and put a new head gskt on . to cure it.

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MJD

04-08-2006 06:10:44




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 05:49:49  
Allan - I wondered too if you need to just blow out the radiator a bit from dust and dirt, so its clean ?
Maybe you already have ?
Just a thought....also, fan belt tight like already mentioned? Is your coolant full enough ?

mjd



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 06:27:23




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to MJD, 04-08-2006 06:10:44  
Hi Guy,

That was the first thing I did. Darned thing just acts like the impeller on the water pump isn't pulling at full speed or something. Never heard of this in a tractor, tho.

Dunno, I'm gonna go load 'er up, haul her in here to my shop and start doin' battle. :>)

Allan



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Andy Martin

04-08-2006 06:02:11




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 05:49:49  
I know it is pretty elementary, but even though you seem to have good coolant flow, have you checked the fan belt for tension?

Radiator fins are clean? (This is for anybody else reading, I'm sure yours are clean:-)

My first guess is going to be a bad gauge, since it does not boil over before it gets to the peg, and you don't seem to think it is very hot. Gauges do go bad.



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 06:14:32




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Andy Martin, 04-08-2006 06:02:11  
That's been my gut feeling all along too.

I can stick my finger down in the coolant and it doesn't seem all that hot; put a thermometer in the radiator and every time it reads back 185 or 190 degrees.

The water is moving.

However, what is worrying me is that the temp probe (which is clean) is located and measures back behind the thermostat and maybe the engine is actually running hotter?

The tractor really pulls hard for a little guy, but this temp thing is just drivin' me nuts!

Dunno, guess I'll just start throwin' parts at it 'til I find the scoundrel. :>)

Allan

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Andy Martin

04-08-2006 06:29:27




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 06:14:32  
If the water is moving, you can not have much temperature difference between the head and the top of the raidator.

Since you have measured the temperature there is not a thing to worry about. If it was cheap me, the bad gauge would stay in service and I'd be happy knowing everything was OK. Save the new thermostat for later.



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 06:39:15




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Andy Martin, 04-08-2006 06:29:27  
Yes Sir,

That's what I did last year; just let it live over on the "hot" peg and I ignored it (or, tried to).

But, you know how I am. If it isn't operating like a new tractor, I just simply go wacko. It really bothers me and knaws at my old feeble brain. Makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck when that thing is "showing hot". :>(

Allan



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Nebraska Cowman

04-08-2006 06:59:56




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Allan In NE, 04-08-2006 06:39:15  
The temp gauge on my Hydro runs pretty well over on the hot side. maybe a bad gauge?



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Allan In NE

04-08-2006 07:09:17




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 Re: Tractor Running Hot in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 04-08-2006 06:59:56  
What really has me bangin' my head against the wall is that this thing seems to work exactly as designed if I'm just doin' "normal" stuff.

Runnin' the rotary mower or the swather, it lays right on the center "normal" range. Even on the hottest days.

It only acts up if I make 'er get down against the tugs and really pull hard for any length of time. Then, up it creeps.

Dunno, guess I'll put that new gauge and thermostat in first and see where I'm settin' at that point.

Allan

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