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bitbythebug

10-24-2005 20:37:03




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Another thing I was wondering was: If anybody has any idea what would have to be done to a Farmall M, to run on ethanol. I live ten miles from an ethanol plant and can get the stuff for much less than gas. And I would be supporting the farmers instead of the big oil corporations.
Thanx again, Dan




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ChadS

10-26-2005 11:38:40




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 Re: ethanol fuel in reply to bitbythebug, 10-24-2005 20:37:03  
As long as the carb is rejetted to match the compression pressure in the cyl, you can run E85 mixed with pump gas and have no troubles. Most important when converting these older tractors to determine how much ethanol can be used is the compression ratio. if your tractor has 100-130 psi, than it can run up to 15%, 130-150 psi, then it can run up to 25%, 150-180 can handle 30-35% mixture, 180+ can handle a 50/50 mix of E85 and pump gas. You will never get it to run right on 100% E85, it is so hard to ignite. its like running 120 octane fuel. If your engine doesnt have the compression to fire it, it wont start easily, it will run erratic, etc etc. I perform E85 conversions bout twice a week on many different tractors, and usually pick up HP, and they run alot cooler when under a load. bad thing is, fuel economy suffers a little. Email me if you need more info on how to convert an Old IH to E85. ChadS

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Bob M

10-25-2005 08:32:49




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 Re: ethanol fuel in reply to bitbythebug, 10-24-2005 20:37:03  
Dan - You should be able to run an ethanol/gas blend (up to 15% - 20% ethanol) with no modifications other than perhaps a minor carb adjustment Your fuel consumption may be slightly higher due to ethanol’s lower energy density (fewer BTUs per gallon) than gasoline. But this may be offset by blended fuel’s tendency to burn more completely than straight gas. Also the blended fuel will have a higher octane rating than regular gas - you may be able to advance the spark timing a few degrees to improve economy.

To run on straight ethanol would require major carburetor adjustments to get the proper fuel air ratio - i.e. would have to open up the power screw several turns. More likely however it would require rejetting the carburetor to larger power circuit orifice.

Other potential downsides of running 100% ethanol:

Reduced fuel economy. Expect around a 30% increase in fuel consumption to perform the same amount of work, again due to ethanol’s considerably lower energy density.

Cold starting difficulties. While alcohol vaporizes easily, it’s high latent heat of vaporization makes it notorious for cold starting problems. You will need auxiliary manifold heat or other means to help get the engine started, and until it is fully warmed up.

Vapor locking – Ethanol boils at relatively low temperature. In hot weather (and at higher altitudes), this makes it highly prone vaporlocking and evaporative fuel losses from the tank and carburetor.

Corrosion – Ethanol attacks certain plastics and elastomers used in modern engine fuel systems. Probably would not a problem with a Farmall H however – it was built long before any these materials were even though of!

If it were mine I’d mess around with various gas/alcohol blends ratios - see how high it can go and still start/run properly. Good luck, and post back what you find!!

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captaink

10-25-2005 06:31:08




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 Re: ethanol fuel in reply to bitbythebug, 10-24-2005 20:37:03  
If you are thinking running the 10% blend, then if your fuel system including carburetor and tank are clean you don’t need to do anything.

If you are talking 85% or 100% then that is a different story and I can’t give you much information on what needs to be done. I can tell you that Ethanol has fewer BTU’s than gasoline and that it vaporizes easier than gasoline.



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