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460 Hydraulic problem

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Tom Tractor 66

08-25-2005 19:59:40




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Have a rather strange problem with my 460D (this stuff is new to me). Lately, the loader and backhoe are not working as fast or as strong as they used to...At idle the loader or hoe will work fine and lift quite a bit of weight, although it moves very slow. If I throttle up the loader will lose power, actually move down till I let off. When using the hoe, the smaller cylinders are fine, but the larger cylinders can take a few seconds to "spool up" and start moving after pulling the valve open (up or down). Am I ready for a pump? or is there a bypass valve sending the extra pressure back to the pump?

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jossette

08-26-2005 16:26:28




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 Re: 460 Hydraulic problem in reply to Tom Tractor 66 , 08-25-2005 19:59:40  
check all filters and screens. check for low oil.. if you can get the loader, and boom, off the ground a foot. unplug the couplers and see if you have an internal leak. ( it will be on the ground in an hour or 2....

not a pump problem..... ..... .....



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Joe Evans

08-26-2005 13:29:52




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 Re: 460 Hydraulic problem in reply to Tom Tractor 66 , 08-25-2005 19:59:40  
From what you describe, I would say your pump is OK, but it is starving for oil.

Look at it this way--take your loader for instance. You've got plenty of pressure resulting in good loader power. This means the pump is not bypassing internally. At low RPM, the pump does not move much oil, therefore it does not require much oil coming in on the suction side of the pump.

On the backhoe, the smaller cylinders don't require as much oil (smaller cylinder volume)as the larger ones, so the reduced volume output of the pump will run these OK.

However at high RPM, the pump moves a lot of oil (12GPM for a standard equipped 460), therefore a lot of oil has to be supplied at the suction side or the pump will cavite (suck wind) and introduce air into the hydraulic system on the pressure side of the pump. This introduced air takes up space where hydraulic oil should be. Since air is compressible, your loader is floating down--the loader's backforce is compressing the air.

Sure sounds like you've got a plugged filter/suction screen and/or not enough hydraulic oil in the resevoir.

MNScott: thanks for recommending our site.

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Tom Tractor 66

09-15-2005 06:29:20




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 Re: 460 Hydraulic problem in reply to Joe Evans, 08-26-2005 13:29:52  
The filter was so clogged its amazing the pump didn't go up in smoke! Changed the filter and hydraulic oil...the machine is brand new. Not even a whine. Can't believe this machine is 10 yrs older than me and still has this kind of power. amazing!!! thanks for all your help!



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MN Scott

08-25-2005 20:58:20




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 Re: 460 Hydraulic problem in reply to Tom Tractor 66 , 08-25-2005 19:59:40  
Here's a good web site on the 60 series hydraulics.



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