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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 06:40:22

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Just a few more questions on my F12. According to serial it is a 37, and have found grey uinder the many coats of red, I was thinking that they quit greay in late 36. Am I wrong? Also, It has the sloping steering shaft, I was under the assumption that the F12 ran parralel to the hood like the F20. Nothing looks welded, could it have come this way, or was it changed at some point. Also, the seat is differnet than the other F12 I have seen. It is just a verticle pipe perpendicular to the final drive with a ridgid mount seat pan. Was the spring seat an option back then and this was the standard? I see most F12 and 14 with the spring style seat, similar to the F20 F30 H M style. Starting to get confused as to what is supposed to be on this one and whats not. I am pretty much a purist and try to get everything back tot he way it was at time of delivery on all my tractors. All your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Ed Topel

04-21-2005 22:29:54

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

Is the engine serial number the same or close to the tag number? Does the tank mount the tag is on have grey paint on it? It's possible the mount was changed and the tag is from a newer tractor which would explain the grey paint. The engine number on the block near the fuel pump should be the same or close. The steering shaft on all F-12's was one straight shaft parrallel with the top of the gas tank but a lot of them were changed to the F-14 style later. Spend a few hours with that wheel between your knees and you will wish it was a little higher. The factory even had a kit to update to the angle steering and longer F-14 brake handles. The kit had a new serial number plate to replace the original when the kit was installed. They reserved 500 serial numbers for this kit but I don't remember what the range of those numbers was. I've never seen a seat like that, I don't think it's correct. All the post type seats I've seen have a coil spring over the post thats bolted to the top of the trans. cover and the seat pipe sits on the spring. Tractors with hydraulics have a flat spring that mounts to the front of the hydraulic unit and curves up and back for the seat to bolt to.Have fun, Ed

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KevinH

04-21-2005 15:31:26

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

in case you're receiving email updates, I just posted those pics in a new thread. Kevin

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KevinH.

04-21-2005 11:27:16

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, the thing sticking out of the top: I read somewhere(I think it was in the parts book) that that was a vent for the fuel system. Mine was gas only and didn't have that, but I have seen them. I'll try to research that as well. Kevin

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Delbert Carman

04-21-2005 11:18:45

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

I grew up on a red 37 F-12 that dad bought new when I was 7, in July 1937. It was the first red Farmall anybody in that neighborhood ever seen. It had the level steering colum. I never knew what IHC intended with that casting connected into the fuel lines that came up threw the center of the hood. We used it to prime the carburetor with gasoline when we didn't get the fuel switched back to gasoline at the right time. Going thru the fuel pump, it took a lot of cranks to get the gas to the carb. Hope this helps.

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KevinH.

04-21-2005 09:36:35

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

I'll try to get a pic of my seat post from a '35 at lunch and post it for you. Your's looks like it might have been fashioned to fit the F-14 steering height. The mounting pattern doesn't look quite right based on mine. Kevin

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 10:46:03

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to KevinH., 04-21-2005 09:36:35

Ok, thanks. I have a manual coming, just ordered it this morning, but I have learned that with my f20 the manual isnt always correct for the year, maybe is different for the 12 manual, also it wont be getting here for another week, and want to get started on it this weekend. I appreciate you sending me a pic of the assembly.Shane

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KevinH.

04-21-2005 11:22:35

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 10:46:03

I didn't get a chance at lunch to shoot a pic, but I have sent myself an email at home to remind me to do it this evening.

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WyoDave

04-21-2005 08:47:05

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

I went and looked at the picture. That looks an awful lot like the 37 F12 I'm working on. Mine has the same duel fuel set up and that cast piece sticking out of the hood is I believe a priming cup, but I don't know for sure. It is only on the duel fuel tractors. Also my F12 has the steering shaft parallel to the hood and fuel tank. The seat on mine has the spring type but it also has the liftall underneath it so that you can't use the seat like yours. I've seen them with that type seat before though. I also have the round spoke rears and single type front wheel. Hope this helps.
David

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P Backus

04-21-2005 07:23:54

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

The paint decision was made in November of '36 if memory serves. Being a practical lot, the folks at IH would have kept painting them grey until they ran out of grey paint, not the day after the decision. Now maybe that happened in late '36 or maybe some were gray into early '37. I don't know for sure. The F-12s and 14s I've seen with the spring seat also had the optional hydraulic lift rockshaft, which made it necessary to mount the seat further forward. So they used the spring arrangement.
Are you sure of your serial number? Just a thought.
Paul

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 07:47:22

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to P Backus, 04-21-2005 07:23:54

Hi, the serial number is FS93251 and is stamped F12. Tag and rivets look original so dont believe it was ever replacd or changed. Accoringy to my research, this makes it a mid 37 F12. I am not sure of the FS but I believe that was dual fuel, maybe I'm wrong. Shane

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P Backus

04-21-2005 08:22:20

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 07:47:22

My serial # is FS35***, so I believe they all had the FS prefix, just as Hs start with FBH and Ms with FBK. Mine, I believe, has always been a gas tractor.
I don't know what to say about the paint. Your serial # does seem to be April-ish of '37. Do you find grey paint on more than one part? Could be that a hood or whatever part was replaced with an older part. Still, you should be able to tell what the original color was. There must be some part that's been bolted over original paint all these years. Personally I like the grey better anyway!
Paul

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 08:28:13

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to P Backus, 04-21-2005 08:22:20

Hi, I have found the grey on most of the parts I have looked at closely or chipped away at some of the paint, the final drive and frame was all covered as were the pieces I looked at. The only piece that had no paint what so ever was the hood, which I believe has been replaced, doesnt match wear or fading at all. The hood has a verticle cast piece with 2 fuel type fittings on bottom and female threads on top. I have been told by a couple people this coud be either a fuel overflow chamber for the fuel pump, for the excess fuel, or posibly a priming chamber. Does anyone know for sure? It is visible in the 1 pic at www.hopetractors.com on the images page. Thanks, Shane

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Sloroll

04-21-2005 06:52:29

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

The seat should be a pogo stick arangement. Many converted their F_12s to F-14 style steering by putting a rubber bushing coupeler near the stearing unit up front. When they did this they generally raise the seat too. You are right. F-12 from the factory had the steering straight across the top like an F-20. Why not post a picture of what you have or E-mail me one and I'll post it. What is your F-12s serial number? My E-mail is open. Bill

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 08:16:17

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to Sloroll, 04-21-2005 06:52:29

Hi, I posted the pictures at my website www.hope tractors.com under the images page. I will try and see if I can get the link buttons to work here. Thanks again, Shane

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captaink

04-21-2005 06:48:52

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 06:40:22

To the best of my knowledge, the F-12�s all had the parallel steering shaft; however a lot of them were converted to the F-14 sloped one. I have two F-12�s that have just the vertical pipes to hold the seat and have seen others. Not a very comfortable ride to be sure. The F-12�s also had the short hand brakes, the F-14�s had longer handles that went to the top of the gas thank. Again many F-12�s were converted to the F-14 style.

There are some other subtle differences, but these are the ones that I�m aware of.

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 08:19:55

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to captaink, 04-21-2005 06:48:52

Hi, This has had the handbrakes removed and foot brakes put on. Yes with the seat I am sure it will be very uncomfortable, Especially since I am thinking about throwing my extra set of steel on it, dont think I'll be using the road gear. Thanks again. Shane

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Sloroll

04-21-2005 08:36:52

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 08:19:55

Looks like someone switched rear ends on you. The seat upright is simmilar but there should be a spring on that pole.

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 10:41:01

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to Sloroll, 04-21-2005 08:36:52

Hi, how can you tell on the rear end? What is it supposed to be, or what is this off of? I was thinking it was an F12 also, but am new to the 12 and 14 scene. Thanks, Shane

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P Backus

04-21-2005 20:25:00

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 10:41:01

I'm thinking along the same lines as sloroll. Have you found grey paint on the front end of the tractor?
Me thinks that your seat pedestal and base were fabricated by someone. Mine doesn't look quite like that either.
Paul

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Sloroll

04-21-2005 11:15:47

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 10:41:01

It looks correct but it looks like a color change from the frame rails back. Red forward and greay to the rear. Or is the light playing tricks? A lot of old F-series were fixed that way. If you had a bad rear end it was easy to bolt up a good front end to a salvaged rear, or vice versa. Go to "Tractor Photos" on the left of this page. search F-12 ans F12 There is a ton of pictures to look at. Not many closeups though.

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P Backus

04-21-2005 08:26:51

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 08:19:55

Yours has a road gear? Mine has the three speed, slow, slower, and slowest. I can't get the pics to come up, but then I'm not too savvy.....
Paul

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 08:31:59

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to P Backus, 04-21-2005 08:26:51

Hi, mine has the walking, slower and almost stopped gears, but it has the overdrive on it also. I havent had this running yet, but I know the one on my F20 is almost too fast for that, nothing like white knuckles on a tracotr! lol I cant figure out the picture thing, so I just posted them on my website, www.hopetractors.com under the images. I have always had bad luck getting them posted here, just never been able to figure it out. Shane

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chadd

04-21-2005 08:51:17

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to dupontwarrior, 04-21-2005 08:31:59

here are your images, you just need to type the following in the comments box:
(img src="your location here") replace () with<>

Nice looking tractor, should be fun once you get it running.

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Glenn F.

04-21-2005 15:21:08

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to chadd, 04-21-2005 08:51:17

No spring on that seat...? Oh my achin' back! Glenn F.

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dupontwarrior

04-21-2005 10:38:42

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Re: F12? F14? in reply to chadd, 04-21-2005 08:51:17

Thanks, I'll have to try and remember that, got 2 in the shop now, but its the next one to go in. Shane

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