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darn ether butten ** Farmall 544**

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Dave From MN

01-23-2005 17:32:11




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blowing snow last two days!! Keep hitting the darn ether butten with my knee while blowing. !- What may have happened to my internals? It was running about 3/4 open and was warmed up. Two where is the best place to relocate this little bugger. So far this $3200 hydro is working awesome. No issues with the hydro and she fired up at -26 when i needed her for the generator when power went out. Needed venting in the chicken barn. Thanks in advance guys and gals

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scruffy

01-24-2005 12:16:36




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to Dave From MN, 01-23-2005 17:32:11  
I did the same thing the first time I used my 766. Well,,,I figure if it does start without either, it shouldn't. I emptied the can and screwed it back in place to keep the hole plugged. Either, on my farm, is only to assist in seating tire beads, it is not made to put in any engine you don't want to o/h pre-maturly. I always plug my trucks/tractors in for pre-heat. If anyone out there got 7-ten thousand hours on a tractor and used either regurly I would be surprised, but correct me if I'm wrong!

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Hugh MacKay

01-24-2005 19:20:53




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to scruffy, 01-24-2005 12:16:36  
Scruffy: Like you, I do not like ether as starting fluid. However I did keep it around just in case. My John Deere being a forestry skidder was often some distance from electricity. Some guys tried different options with diesel left in bush. There was the idea of using quick couplers on heater hoses of pickup, thus circulating pickup warm coolant to the proposed diesel candidate. These worked but you just transfered your engine problems from diesel to pickup. The cold coolant from diesel hitting pickup engine took its toll. Guys that used that regularly found themselves putting a new engine in pickup every season.

Then there were the guys that built fires under the diesel. Charcoal works the best, fill a cast iron fry pan with charcoal, put it under oil pan. I have done this, but you must make damn sure you have no fuel or oil leaks. I suggest users of this system not notify their insurance co.

Today there are some quite decent propane block heaters. They work well, and if I were still at this, I certainly would have one.

In the 1970s and 80s ether was the best option, sure we knew the pitfalls. The interesting part is my John Deere, which got a dose of ether most every day all winter, went 13,000 hours to it's first engine rebuild. I did get very close to 10,000 hours each on 3 Farmalls that rarely ever saw ether. They were always at farm and all had good working block heaters. I don't ever remember using ether on 656. 560 once when glow plugs were not functioning. I doubt if 1066 ever got ether more than a couple of times. Those tractors were rarely ever started in winter.

I quite frankly believe, ether if used sensibly, probably no worse than any cold start. I do know that a warm can of ether is far more effective than cold. We do know that without a block heater in cold weather 85% of engine wear occurs in first 10 minutes of operation. How much worse than that can proper use of ether be? I've seen guys use 2-3 cans per week of ether on one diesel. I don't think we ever used more than 2 cans per winter with that Deere system.

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Novel Idea Guy

01-23-2005 19:36:56




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to Dave From MN, 01-23-2005 17:32:11  
Jeesh, you've either gotta be 7 feet tall, or you're humping the steering wheel for some unfathomable reason...



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Hugh MacKay

01-24-2005 03:48:39




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to Novel Idea Guy, 01-23-2005 19:36:56  
You try turning in seat of one of these ether button equiped IH tractors, to watch most any rear mounted equipment, your knee will either hit botton or come awfully close. That is unless your under 5'. I'm 6' 2" and I just removed the ether can from 1066. It was rarely ever away from electricity, block heater is way to go.

This is where Deere had a better idea. Ether is twice as effective when warm, so take the can to a nice warm building for storage. You install a Deere nozzel in manifold, pipe it to a Deere receptacle. You will use about 1/3 the ether and be more effective.

I went to a remote area one morning to start my Deere. Temp was hanging around -30C, no electricity as I would normally plug in circulating block heater and not use any ether. Far better solution, but one must be ready for being where there is no power. Couple of bystanders, started cat calling," that old Deere aint going to start this morning." As I got out of the pickup I slipped that ether can in my coverall pocket. I was able to keep ether hidden from them, and feather it slowly enough, they never noticed any surges on the diesel. It started very quickly. Warm ether is the answer. Those old boys told everyone for miles how well that Deere started with no artificial assists. I never did tell the two guys the difference, they were solid Detroit diesel fans.

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Novel Idea Guy

01-24-2005 07:37:41




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-24-2005 03:48:39  
Hmm... 1066 and 856, both with the ether button in the same place, center column directly below the steering wheel. I'm 6'1", and have spent plenty of time in the seat of both tractors watching trailing equipment. My knee has NEVER even come close to the ether button, and my legs aren't exactly short.



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K.B.-826

01-23-2005 18:00:38




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to Dave From MN, 01-23-2005 17:32:11  
Probably didn't do any engine damage. Just pick a spot in the dash where your knees won't hit, drill a hole for the button, drill holes for the mounting screws, and your're ready to go. Here's another idea- add a relay, and wire it so there is only power to the ether button when the starter button is pushed.



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captaink

01-23-2005 20:27:12




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to K.B.-826, 01-23-2005 18:00:38  
Nice touch, but couldn't you just get power for the ether assist from the solenoid side of the starter button?



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K.B.-826

01-24-2005 20:17:35




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 Re: darn ether butten ** Farmall 544** in reply to captaink, 01-23-2005 20:27:12  
Yes, but there really isn't much room to add anything extra to the starter button. You could run a wire from the "S" terminal of the solinoid to the ether button, but there's already a quite a bit of current going through that wire. Here's the way I picture it- Use a small relay, one of those run of the mill square black plastic ones. A 20-amp should be more than enough. Run a wire from the "B" terminal of the starter solinoid to the "B" terminal of the relay. Run a wire from the "S" terminal of the solinoid to the "S" terminal of the relay. Run a wire from the "load" terminal of the relay to the ether button. Now you can only inject ether while the engine is cranking.

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