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jonesy

10-11-2004 17:59:09

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Picked up a bunch tractors this past weekend. One of them is a 39 M, serial # 2935. It has some very strange features Im not used to with the "run of the mill" M's Ive had around. First it has the slot top rear end cap, second the mag has a grounding plunger built on it instead of the remote style. Next it has cork plugs in the Lift-all holes and has a plate on the bottom. I guess it was factory delete. Has the strangest looking pto also. The biggest thing I noticed was the wheel weights were a two piece, inner- outer and are totally solid. They say IH CO H&M. Might be aftermarket dont know. Ill try and post some pics later.

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John A.

10-12-2004 16:34:54

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

Jonesy, If your wts on your 39 M look like The pics on John's response, then most likely yous is a High Plains tractors. TX/OK/Ks most likely. I have seen many, many like it before. I would bet that Bozeman @ Lubbock probably has or did have a truck load of those wts at one time or another. With the Inner and Outters an ol M could really be weighted to handle the work.
While in the Panhandle we had an ol SM stage I with a set ot those wts, Darn thing was that this ol tractor was our Ensilage loader tractor. Had an Oswalt hydraulic reel digger/loader on it.
I would think there is probably about 500lb of cast on each rear corner. It is just a little different look ok those old girls. I like it!
Later,
John A.

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Novel Idea Guy

10-12-2004 14:12:03

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

The Lift-All was ALWAYS optional. It was just a very common option.

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Paul in Mich

10-12-2004 10:11:14

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

Jonsey, The 39 should also have 36 in rims rather than 38 in. found on later models. Dzeus fasteners were also used, and the 39"s had a solid hard rubber steering wheel which was later replaced by the metal spoke version. There are many subtile differences, but most of the major ones have been identified here, and other responses to your post.

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Chad from MI

10-12-2004 05:26:15

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

We have the same mag on our 1940 A. I figured the pluger style like that with the pull cabel was becasue our A has no electric on it what so ever.
no hole even to mount a starter in the torque tube. So I assumed that it was like that for the models that had no electric start or lights.
Just a thought.
Chad

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Paul in Mich

10-12-2004 10:02:46

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Chad from MI, 10-12-2004 05:26:15

Chad, My 1940 "A" is the same way. The fact that there was no electric had nothing to do with the kill switch, however, as the "H" and "M" of the same years had the same mechanical kill switch, with or without lights or starter. The puss button switch that appeared on the later models worked the same in that by pushing in on the button, it established a ground connection between the Mag and the tractor frame/motor. I found out one thing, while restoring my "A", and that those mechanical kill switches are like gold, and hard to come by. I hope we get to meet at one of the shows here in Mich, and compare notes.

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Wardner

10-12-2004 10:53:43

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Paul in Mich, 10-12-2004 10:02:46

I think that the brass knob engraved with the letter "S" for stop is very rare. More so than the pull switch itself. The only one I have ever seen is on my '40 H.

I don't use it. I get off the tractor and push the switch to ground it.

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Paul in Mich

10-12-2004 18:19:44

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Wardner, 10-12-2004 10:53:43

war4dner, By Jove, I think you"re right. The mechanical switch is like gold, but the original knob with the "S" is like the gold in the Pope"s teeth.

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justin w

10-12-2004 12:39:26

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Wardner, 10-12-2004 10:53:43

You mean the buttons like this?? I am having reproductions of the originals made, and have 2 NOS ones for two of my 39 Hs..

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

10-11-2004 20:18:01

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

Saw H serial 533 at Red Power this summer, and it had the same magneto set up (first one I'd seen in person). At that serial number I would think the liftall would have been an option rather than a delete. There are more pictures of the H at the link below

H 533

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Tim Malin

10-12-2004 17:47:45

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 10-11-2004 20:18:01

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO THIS. My uncle owns H serial number 641, and the codes are cast into the frame on the right side of the tractors, like the F20's. Why in the world does this tractor have a serial number tag? By everything I know of the 39 H's, the first ones were not supposed to have serial tags. What is up with this one? Obviously a 39 by the platform, but something smells fishy to me, no disrespect.

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jonesy

10-12-2004 19:28:14

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Tim Malin, 10-12-2004 17:47:45

Hey I was digging around on this M today and I also noticed the serial # stamped into the right side frame rail. I then checked the block on the same side and it too has the same serial #. Glad you brought that up. I didnt get any photos of it today but will try again tomarrow.

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Tim Malin

10-12-2004 22:32:38

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-12-2004 19:28:14

Do you have a serial number tag in addition to the stamped side rail? Pictures say a thousand words, but I was just wondering. I saw you posted the serial number, but just now you say you noticed the stamp on the right side. I'm hoping I can draw some information out of this. I am very interested in figuring out what is going on with these '39s. Thanks.

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jonesy

10-13-2004 04:19:06

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Tim Malin, 10-12-2004 22:32:38

This ones got a good serial tag right were it should be. I believe they started the with the tags around 1931 with the regular, w30, f30 ect.

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Tim Malin

10-13-2004 09:23:26

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-13-2004 04:19:06

Did they just continue stamping on the frame rail along with the tags, then too? Why would some have tags and stamps and others just have stamps? Someone on this board has got to know.

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justin w

10-12-2004 18:14:24

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to Tim Malin, 10-12-2004 17:47:45

That early H is the only one that I know of with a serial tag. the earliest I own is S/N 700, and it does not have a tag on it, and never did.

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Tim Malin

10-12-2004 22:30:20

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to justin w, 10-12-2004 18:14:24

Do you think, though, that the 32nd H made had factory tag? Or do you think someone put it on in a restoration or just at a later date? I had no clue they were even putting on serial number tags at that point, let alone making tags. Thanks for your post.

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jonesy

10-11-2004 20:55:22

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to John *.?-!.* cub owner, 10-11-2004 20:18:01

Thanks for those great pics. The M has that same mag and the wieghts are the same too. Someone removed the original seat on this one and installed an old time easy ride type. I also believe its on 3 out of 4 original tires or should I say "maypops". It also has lower radiator braces that Im not quite sure are factory or add ons. I ll have pics tomarrow.

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John *.?-!.* cub owner

10-12-2004 14:21:37

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 20:55:22

Never noticed anyweights quite like those before, and just assumed they had come fro a salvage yard from another piece of equipment, but apparently not. I was interested in that H st RPRU, because of the fact that I dorve a 41 model for about 15 years on our farm.

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John A.

10-11-2004 19:33:04

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

jonesy, Even I didn't know till recently that the 39s have that 1.5 deep x 4in wide slot in the top deck to accomiidate the funny looking seat assembly. There was one at Temple show the other day.
The PTO is different too, a flat plate with the pto stocking out and a little engagement lever on the side. Not the regular PTO houseing we are use to seeing.
I would like to see a pic of the wheel wts. They are probably from an independent foundary somewhere. I can spot a highplains tractor by the aftermarket wheel wts. from a mile away. Hollar if you want.
Are you parting it out,or what? I still need a water jacket cover. I don't have your email anymore, so ping me sometime so I can put it back in my book here.
Later,
John A.

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CNKS

10-11-2004 18:34:59

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to jonesy, 10-11-2004 17:59:09

Sounds original. Slot top was used until 15698. There were 3 pto's, yours was used thru 45613. Have heard of but not seen the grounding plunger. Weights are aftermarket. I would keep that one if I were you, wish I had it.

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CNKS

10-11-2004 18:42:49

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Re: 39 M has some real strange features in reply to CNKS, 10-11-2004 18:34:59

Whoops, you said M, specs I gave are for an H -- PTO was used until 27998, trans cover until 9287.

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