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Rare or Not Rare?

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Erich in OR

10-02-2004 21:03:58




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I just purchased a 1951 Farmall Super A. It has rear/mid spring harrows and rear/mid cultivators with several different ends.

This is my question- It has side-by-side RH/LH plows. The plows are good sized and can be raised and lowered independantly. It is 100% complete and operational. Is this a rare setup?

Thanks-

Erich




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SAm in NS

10-04-2004 08:13:34




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
I have a '53 Super A with the split rear rockshaft, over center levers for the top of the transmission, as well as both ploughs, and the link from the drawbar to the hydraulics. I only managed to aquire the entire lot by getting lucky. The former owner of the tractor had never used them and knew there were bits about but not how many or what they were. Also having most of the parts painted blue and a red tractor confuses the issue a bit. With help from the folks on this forum and lots of digging and rummaging I managed to retrieve the entire setup. I only wish I had some opportunity to use it. SAm in NS

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Erich in OR

10-04-2004 22:09:23




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to SAm in NS, 10-04-2004 08:13:34  
Blue? All my stuff is red. What is the correct color?

-Erich



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SAm in NS

10-05-2004 15:24:27




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-04-2004 22:09:23  
Well, so far as I know a lot of IH implements were painted blue. Hope this helps, SAm in NS



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Erich in OR

10-03-2004 18:58:24




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
WOW! There aren't too many forums around that give a stranger such a response. I really appreciate the info!

Thanks again!



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Haas

10-03-2004 16:51:13




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
I would not call this set up rare, but uncommon today and a lot of folks don't know how it worked and that the split rockshaft and over center drop levers (bolted to top of transmission) are all part of the set up. What's happened to these to make them rare or uncommon. Here's my story. 25 years ago, I had a complete setup like this on a Super A. This was common in hilly eastern Tennesse for plowing on hillsides. In fact these were called "hillside" plows as well as two way plows. I used the one I had to plow my garden, but usually only put on one of the plows. Later I bought a 140 and sold the Super A with it's cultivators. The 140 had no rear rockshaft and the rockshaft on the Super A was needed for the cultivators so the split rockshaft went with the Super A and I kept the plows (and also the overcenter lever setup)to use with the 140 (I later got a regular rockshaft for the 140). About 10 years ago, I sold the 140 with the plows. The buyer only used it with the belly mower and later sold the plows to a guy with a Super A. He only wanted one plow and sold the LH one to another person. The overcenter lever set laid in my barn for years and I finally sold in on E bay a couple years ago. So the setup is in at least 4 different places. If I had it now, I would never split it up!!

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UFO Man

10-03-2004 11:31:27




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
Erich, I've got the same set up on my 1951 Super A, but I'm missing the coulter on the left turning plow. Mine are 16 inch cuts. Rare or not, they seem to baffle the farmers around here who are used to a middle buster plow. They seem to think that this is the early version. Got into some interesting conversations just driving it up and down the road.



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Hugh MacKay

10-03-2004 10:14:02




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
Erich: The proper one furrow two way plow (as they were called) for the Super A is the model A-189 or 189. The A-189 was built from 1947 to 1958 and later called just 189 from 1958 until 1961. The plow was available in 12, 14 and 16 inch cut. From your description it sounds as though you have the A-189 as it probably came new with tractor.

On the Rare or not Rare question, that may be debateable in 2004. There were vast numbers of these plows were sold new. Problem is people for one reason or another didn't keep these all these plow pieces together. I have the split lift rear rockshaft, and no plows. My rockshaft had been welded solid by someone, for use with a 295 two furrow plow. I have on numerous ocasions seen the right turning plow. The left turning plows seem more rare. My thoughts on this are when these tractors were in the hands of commercial farmers everything was kept intact. As these tractors became the possessions of home gardeners or just ordinary home owners, often they weren't plowing enough so disposed of the left turning plow. I believe many disposed of both plows and kept the split rear rockshaft. In many cases these unwanted pieces were hauled to the local scrapyard. Oh they tried to sell it first, but serious buyers wanted the complete set up.

There are still a few complete plows around, but complete and working as yours does, quite rare. Another factor of course has been grand children selling off grandpa possessions to a buyer who knew even less than they. Several years later they discovered the red iron hanging on the barn wall was indeed part of the tractor they bought. By then barn had been buldozed for development. Yet another factor has been used tractor dealers, selling items by the piece.

The major problem all along has been buyers lack of knowledge.

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Tim in NB

10-03-2004 08:30:57




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
These must be a single furrow plow for that size of tractor. I ran into a set of these yeserday on a Farmall C. The ones I saw have two levers up by the seat and are connected to the hydraulics also. The model of the plow I saw was C-199. It is called an IH one furrow two-way moldboard plow according to the parts book. They were built from 1949-1955. This is the first set I have seen.



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Harold Hubbard

10-03-2004 19:00:32




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Tim in NB, 10-03-2004 08:30:57  
I just came in from spending the afternoon on a Super C with a set of those plows. This is the first time in several years that I have used them for more than my garden, and I had forgotten how long it takes to show any real progress with them. Of course, smashing one of the points on a ledge, and welding for an hour slowed me up quite a bit.



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Nebraska Cowman

10-03-2004 05:25:43




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
i don't know if they are "rare" but if you are looking for good implements they are next to impossable to find.



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El Toro

10-03-2004 05:13:46




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to Erich in OR, 10-02-2004 21:03:58  
Hi, Allis-Chalmers had this setup years ago, I never saw one around here on a Farmall Super A.
Is it IH's plow? BobM posted a picture of a 4-bottom plow that he recently purchased that has that same feature. If you scan through all the pages on this forum you can probably view it. Hal



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Erich in OR

10-03-2004 18:51:33




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 Re: Rare or Not Rare? in reply to El Toro, 10-03-2004 05:13:46  
Everything I have has an IH and an IH part number except for the webfoot ends for the cultivators. They are marked "CASE". I assume they are Case because the sheepsfoot and straight ends have IH marks on them.



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