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1066 with cracked rear wheels

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Kruse

04-27-2004 17:27:17




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My brother bought a 1066 on an auction a few months ago and tonight he took the duals off. My
to his surprise the hubs are cracked right around the drive axle. (The inside hub, not the dual) It looks like that at one time the four bolts that hold the wheel to the axle were not tightened or that the bolts had loosened up and allowed the hub to crack. Question: Should he just tighten them back up and use them or should he get some replacements? The axle looks good and is not damaged. My opinion is that he should put in some new bolts and reuse them, but I'm not an IH expert.
Next question: Is this common on these wheels or were the bolts just too loose and the wheels cracked?
Next (and final) question: Where would you get replacements? Salvage yard or is there an aftermarket place that sells/manufactures these?
Thanks for your time.

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Chris-se-ILL

04-27-2004 20:58:05




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 Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Kruse, 04-27-2004 17:27:17  
I have an IH-1066, and it had the same problems. When it was new, my Dad put the "centerless" bolt-on duals on it. They used long bolts that fastened the dual to the original rim. The torque and twisting was too much for the inside hub to take!!! It kept breaking the 4 bolts and wallowed out the hub. Eventually we had to put DMI hubs on the outside dual and replace the inside hubs, because they would NEVER stay tight!

Another thing that will force the axle to twist in the hub is running radials on all the rear tires. Those 4-bolt clamp style just will not hold up under a lot of stress and strain!

Check out the link {Steel Wheel Ranch} for a very good source for parts for your IH. I have done a LOT of business with Mike {he is the owner}, and he is VERY reasonably priced!

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K.B.

04-27-2004 18:49:01




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 Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Kruse, 04-27-2004 17:27:17  
According to the parts book, a 1066 could have actually come from the factory with the clamp-style wheels like you have. Yes, they were damaged because the clamps got loose. This is a common enough problem on the 100 horsepower tractors, put that style of wheel on a 1066, and it will only be a matter of time. Don't try to use those wheels. A good salvage yard will be able to you Wedge-Lock style wheels.

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Hugh MacKay

04-28-2004 02:38:16




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 Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to K.B., 04-27-2004 18:49:01  
KB: It didn't take 100 hp tractors to break clamp type wheels. In the past year on this forum we have seen several examples of H, M, 300, etc. with broken wheels, and yes of course from being loose. My dad sheared the key out of a 300 wheel the week it was new. Dealer had changed wheels from dish in to dish out and someone got careless.

Speaking of standard and optional equipment, I watched my dad buy a 300 when he should have bought 400, a 560 when he should have bought 806. A neighbor bought a 656D and a 504, told me afterwards it should have been 2 - 656. My 1066 was speced out and ordered as opposed to just coming off the lot. Actually I speced out both 966 and 1066. By the time we were done and having the same equipment there was $1,200. difference in the price. One item I do remember was wedge lock wheels, standard on 1066 and optional on 966. This could well have been just how the local dealer was treating it. It could also be that standard equipment in Canada was not standard equipment in the US. This wouldn't be the first argument I've seen on here, because of differences on what was standard or optional both sides of the border.

You should compare the Little Genius No. 8 plows sold in the US with the same plow sold in Canada. If you want send me an e mail, I can send a photo of that Canadian Little Genius. I do know much of the advertising, ie. buyers guide, sales brosures, pricing, etc are all different printing between the two countries.

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Chris-se-ILL

04-28-2004 05:16:36




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 Re: Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-28-2004 02:38:16  
I have two 560's and an 806-D. My Dad bought them all new {560's in '61-'62, and 806D in '68} and we still use all of them today. They all have the clamp style hubs and never had any trouble. Also, we bought a IH-986 new in 1978 and it had the clamp style hubs {it didn't have enough power to do much of anything!!!}. We should have bought a 1486 instead of that 986... I just sold the 986 3 weeks ago {3200 hours} for $8500.

My neighbor has a IH-656... that is really a useful little tractor for haying!

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Hugh MacKay

04-27-2004 17:55:19




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 Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Kruse, 04-27-2004 17:27:17  
Kruse: To start with 1066 rear wheels don't tighten on axle with 4 bolts. The 1066 will have wedge lock wheels and only require 1 bolt for tightening wheel to axle. Probably the reason those wheels are cracked in the first place. They don't belong on a 1066.



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Chris-se-ILL

04-27-2004 20:40:34




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 Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-27-2004 17:55:19  
{quote}"To start with 1066 rear wheels don't tighten on axle with 4 bolts."{unquote}

Sorry to differ with ya... but Yes, IH-1066 hubs DO have the 4-bolt clamp style hubs! We bought one brand new in 1975, and it had the clamp style hubs from the factory!



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Hugh MacKay

04-28-2004 01:48:35




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 Re: Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 04-27-2004 20:40:34  
Chris: You were then sold a tractor with the wrong wheel. I also bought a 1066 in 1975 and it had wedge locks. When new wedge lock was suposed to be standard equipment on 1066.



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Chris-se-ILL

04-28-2004 05:07:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-28-2004 01:48:35  
Well, now I find out!

Do you think that they would warranty that for me... {hahaha!}

My 1566 has the wedge style hubs, and only once have I had to take one off {to fix an axle seal}. Man, removing that wedge hub was a real bear!!! Since I am getting out of fulltime farming, I won't be using my 1066 much other than occasional chores, so I doubt I will have any trouble with the hubs. I don't want to have the expense of changing them over to the wedge style! I do however, need to rebuild the brakes on it {that is another thread}.

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Hugh MacKay

04-28-2004 15:10:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 1066 with cracked rear wheels in reply to Chris-se-ILL, 04-28-2004 05:07:13  
Chris: Around the world, IH did a lot of different items in different countries. The letter series Super BMD was built into the late 1950s Followed by the B-450, same sheet metal as the SM and was sold in Britian and Austrailia well into the 60s. These tractors were also direct start diesels, and did not have live pto.

The IH utility 444 had completely different sheet metal in Canada from that in US.

I had a relative farming in the US and when visiting we used the take along the IH buyers guides just to see what we were each missing out on. I can remember over the years compareing Canadian and US buyers guides, and while many things were the same, a lot of items were different. Many of the Farmall diesels shipped in here had some quite heavy starting equipment. Every year there were items not available, both sides of the border. Never the same items on both sides.

I mentioned plows in my other post. Trailer plows built before 1962 were quite different in Canada from the plows in the US. The cross members between beams on Canadian plows were square across and overlaping thus allowing one to change the width of cut. Canadian plows also had a reduction cog in the notches of levelling levers. The levers were hinged in middle with 3 notches for quickly changing from use with a Farmall to a W series tractor.

It's no wonder IH as we know it aren't around anymore. Too much money spent being all things to all people.

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