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Oil Change Intervals

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Bud

04-21-2004 17:03:36




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I was just changing the oil in my 58 Oldsmobile ( 37,000 miles ) and 63 Chrysler ( 21,000 miles )and got to wondering about why I was bothering since neither have been driven over 300 miles in the past year. I also have been changing the oil annually in my modest tractor collection ( two Allis WC's , a Super C and a SAV ) and none of these get driven more than 10 hours a year tops.

I know that my family ( all farmers ) used to run their tractors ( all gas powered ) a long time between changes but somehow I seem to think the oil " gets old " even though its not in use.

Are there any petroleum experts out there that can shed some light on age degradation of motor oil?
Thanks for the help

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Bud

04-22-2004 13:37:21




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 Re: Oil Change Intervals in reply to Bud, 04-21-2004 17:03:36  
Thanks guys ( and gals? ). I didn't know about the life cycle of additives. I just completed changing the oil in four of my vehicles. It certainly isn't a big deal to do this once a year.



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Randy in NE

04-22-2004 07:17:04




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 Re: Oil Change Intervals in reply to Bud, 04-21-2004 17:03:36  
Bob M has very good points there. I change the oil in my tractors once a year. Mainly because of the same things that Bob M pointed out. They are not used for heavy farming or anything. There are a lot of recommendations to change the oil in your vehicle every X,000 miles or six months. To me the $10-15.00 to change the oil is cheap compared to an engine overhaul. The other thing that I recommend is a good quality oil along with the periodic replacement of the oil and filter. I have always replaced the oil filter at every oil change. I am not in favor of dumping new oil in with the 1 quart of old oil left in the old filter. Just my $0.02 worth.

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Bob M

04-22-2004 06:51:27




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 Re: Oil Change Intervals in reply to Bud, 04-21-2004 17:03:36  
Bud - I’m not an oil expert. However a friend at work is a tribolobist (lubrication engineer) – he shared this:

Unlike gasoline, motor oil doesn’t get old or go stale from just sitting. Nor can oil degrade or “wear out” with time/use. What happens is oil becomes contaminated with unburned fuel and products of combustion - moisture, acids, carbon. It also picks up microscopic wear products (metal) from rubbing engine parts. This contamination reduces the lubricity of the oil which in turn hastens wear and corrosion.

If an engine sees only infrequent short runs under light load so it never fully warms up (light chores, parades, etc), oil may need to be changed after a few hours of running. Steady running under load is actually better for crankcase oil life. Under these conditions an oil change can be good for several hundred hours.

My approach: For light duty use change the oil & filter once a year. Figure the cost of oil and a filter is inconsequential compared to the parts/labor for an engine rebuild! On the other hand, for a working tractor (one that is operated for several hours at a time at temperature) I’ll change the oil per hourmeter readings and mfr’s recommendation.

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Andy

04-22-2004 10:05:32




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 Re: Re: Oil Change Intervals in reply to Bob M, 04-22-2004 06:51:27  
Bob,

I agree with almost everything you said except that oil cannot degrade or "wear out". This may be true for the basestock (either petroleum or synthetic), but it is not true for the additives in the oil. Long polymer chains are commonly used to increase the viscosity of the oil and will do break down with use. Also, other additives in oil such as anti-oxidents, anti-corrosion agents, and so forth will be "used up" over time.

Also, each brand of oil uses different additives (thus different brands will last longer and perform better). NOT ALL BRANDS OF OIL ARE THE SAME.

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Bob M...indeed!

04-22-2004 13:02:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Oil Change Intervals in reply to Andy, 04-22-2004 10:05:32  
Good point Andy! While a motor oil's base stock cannot wear out, the various additives (V.I. improvers, detergents, anti-corrosives, etc) do break down and become ineffective with time/use. Hence the recommendation to change oil on lightly used equipment at least once a year.



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