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wet sleeves in 358 compaired to 414 motors

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Larry B.

03-16-2004 16:44:59




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Does any know if the German made 310 & 358 had any problems with wet sleeves as the American 1066 tractor 414 motors. Looking into buying a 826 with a 358 motor. Never heard of any problems on the German motors with the sleeves rusting out early. I don't recall of ever hearing of water filters on them like the American 414 & 436. They are asking 5,750.00 for the tractor,rubber 30%,runs good,paint good, no TA. shifts easy, turbo added

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Tim Malin

03-24-2004 13:12:12




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 Re: wet sleeves in 358 compaired to 414 motors in reply to Larry B., 03-16-2004 16:44:59  
Watched a good one go for auction yesterday for 5750. Great price in my book. You say no TA, is that TA out or wasn't made with a TA? If TA is out, price goes down a little bit. If TA wasn't installed, simply consider it like buying a vehicle without a usual option. Watched another with weak TA go for 3050, so it was a tough crowd. I wish I had the money. Never beat the 358 in fuel efficiency, ESPECIALLY with the turbo, but don't push it too hard. Lower the turbo, higher the engine life. 100 horses would probably be good. It will cost about 6 grand if if needs an overhaul because of the german diesel, but otherwise the tractor doesn't complain much. It's most definately your call, but consider the rubber too. LAW is right about starting, here in Wisconsin we retire our 826 for the winter. It will start, but the 856 has a heater and starts easier, so we avoid the headache. A water heater will start it right up, so if operating in under 40 degree conditions I would consider putting one on. Overall, I would not shy too far away from a 5750 price. That's ballpark - actually looking at some ads a little less. Good luck.

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Cliff Neubauer

03-17-2004 06:41:45




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 Re: wet sleeves in 358 compaired to 414 motors in reply to Larry B., 03-16-2004 16:44:59  
The German diesel's do have the cavitation problems to a lesser degree than the 400 series IH engines. Our 826 leaked water into the oil twice before it's first overhaul at 7,000 hours, both times we changed the oil and added a good stop leak to the cooling system (suggested by IH dealer) which would fix the problem for several years. The later D-358's had a coolant filter. That doesn't sound bad if the engine is solid, the big down side to the German diesel's is that they are pretty expensive to work on compared to other IH diesel's.

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Hugh MacKay

03-17-2004 02:15:34




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 Re: wet sleeves in 358 compaired to 414 motors in reply to Larry B., 03-16-2004 16:44:59  
Larry: I think all these wet sleeve engines should have water filters, but that must also be combined with excellent maintainence. The wet sleeve problem in my opinion was never an IH American engine exclusive. It is a problem we all must manage.

I have been one of the guys critical of this IH problem. That is no crititism on 414 and 436 engines. My gripe has never been with the tractor, but rather IH the corperation selling those tractors new in the 1970's without water filters and never informing anyone of the problem. Their engineers knew in advance what was going to happen. Buyers of the then new tractors had a right to be informed. The few that had been exposed to diesels in large trucks knew of the problem and acted accordingly.

I had put 10,000 hours each on 2 - 282 diesels and 13,000 hours on a 329DT Deere engine, to their first rebuilds. At 8,000 hours if anyone had asked about my 1066, I would have said it will go to 15,000 hours before needing a rebuild. The engine was clean, no oil leaks, hp was in the 150 range on dyno. At just under 10,000 hours the sleeves failed. I still believe that tractor could have and should have gone the 15,000 hours to it's first rebuild.

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LAW/MN

03-16-2004 18:25:32




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 Re: wet sleeves in 358 compaired to 414 motors in reply to Larry B., 03-16-2004 16:44:59  
I purchased a 1970 IHC 826, 358 engine with 3000 hours in 1985, second owner. I knew the owner of the tractor and it had excellent maintenance. It also had the water filter attachment. Regardless, within one year I o'hauled the engine due to anti-freeze in the oil due to erosion around the "O" rings on the slevees. I used the tractor for 5 years with no problems, but traded it as I got tired of the difficulty in starting, especially in cold weather.

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