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International 354 identification

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Greg

03-15-2004 19:36:19




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I am considering buying an International tractor from a friend that we believe to be a model 354. All decals are worn off and even he doesn't know what it is exactly. It is a 4 cyl. diesel and looks to be around 30 years old or so. Has a hyd. steering cylinder located not under the steering column but outside the tractor along the steering mechanism. Also has 2 "back-to-back" hydraulic pumps gear driven by the engine. One for the 3-point, one for the steering. I would like to positively identify the model - will the serial #'s help me do this? If so, where are the all located? I realize this isn't much info but I simply need to know what to look for in terms of #'s and design to help me find out exactly what model International this is. Thanks for any information.

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Greg

03-22-2004 07:48:12




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 Re: International 354 identification in reply to Greg, 03-15-2004 19:36:19  
I got #'s off the tractor this weekend. Turns out it may be a 364. Here they are:

Model# A480003B001256
Serial# blank
Made in Great Britian

Eng # on rt side of crankcase:
BD154
114673

I guess since it has the 154 engine instead of the 144, it is a 364 and not a 354 model as I first suspected? It has been rewired recently because a short melted all the wiring. The charging system still isn't working. It had been converted over to a Delco alternator years ago and apparently the alt. got fried when the short occured a few months ago. The alt. gage got melted also. I can fix the charging system rather easily I assume. He wants $3800 for this tractor. Is it worth it? How complex is it to fix the rear diff. lock? He has never used it because the pedal you push down to lock the diff is REAL stiff and hard to mash. He was afraid if he ever forced it enough to lock the diff it wouldn't come unlocked. More than likely it is a corrosion issue due to lack of use. Is this hard to fix or look into? Can you see/work on this mechanism from the top of the transmisson? Thanks for any suggestions.

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lee

03-16-2004 07:51:10




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 Re: International 354 identification in reply to Greg, 03-15-2004 19:36:19  
Look for engine numbers stamped on a raised pad on right front of crank case. IH manual says BD144A used on 354. Look for an ID tag on the right side of tractor on the clutch housing.
BD144 and BD154 engines appear to be very similar. BD154 looks to have 3.5 bore vs 3.375
for BD144. Looks like a piston/sleeve kit and maybe some fuel delivery (pump, injector)changes would upgrade a 144 to 154. 144 rated at 32HP and 154 rated at 36 in IH book. Like I said I have a 354 in pieces I got from a buddy. I hope to get it going some day. Over the years I've had this I've never seen another, other than pictures.
Perhaps you might post a pic. Some guys have them though. No idea how many were imported. Parts sources in Canada. Some parts may be a little difficult or expensive to source such as sheet metal or other things very specific to 354. Engine parts should not be a problem. Many parts similar on B414 tractors.

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Greg

03-16-2004 10:13:50




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 Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to lee, 03-16-2004 07:51:10  
What International manual are you looking at - one specific to the 354? Where can I go on the net to find more info about this 354 concerning serial #'s, years it was produced, how many produced? I just can't find out much on 354's and I'm not even certain that's what this tractor is. I will try and get a picture of it with my digital camera this weekend. Thanks.



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lee

03-16-2004 14:44:52




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 Re: Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to Greg, 03-16-2004 10:13:50  
I have the Case IH manuals for the 354. I&T manuals are out there also. 354 was only built from 1972 to 1975 so there are not that many out there as in comparison to Farmall letter series.
Maybe Guy Fay has information on these. Try a post on this forum to Guy Fay. There is little on the net specific to 354 that I've found. Owning a 354 is akin to being a maytag repair man. It can get a little lonely. If you look you will find sites that offer parts for 354. IH dealers have parts also.

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lee

03-15-2004 21:08:09




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 Re: International 354 identification in reply to Greg, 03-15-2004 19:36:19  
I think JB is right. I have a machine like that I am working on. Along with what you describe it should have a differential lock pedal on the right side. High/low range. Disk brakes. Three point with position and draft control levers on the quadrant. Mine has a heavy duty rectangular box tube construction wide front. Somewhere on the right side on one of the castings you may find a decal with UK ID #'s. It uses the BD 144 diesel motor as JB said. The 354 air intake manifold and other items are different from B275.

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Greg

03-16-2004 06:04:23




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 Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to lee, 03-15-2004 21:08:09  
JB and lee, it does have glow plugs but I'm not sure if it's the 144 or 154 engine. For some reason, we thought if it is a 354 model, it had the 154 engine but this may be wrong. It does have a 4 speed main and then a Hi-Lo lever. Don't remember if the Hi-Lo lever is on the left or right of the main. I will look this weekend. It also does have a differential lock that I think is a lever in the right floorboard but I'll have to make sure. You all saying it is a UK tractor makes me wonder. I know it was bought new in Texas because the fellow I am buying it from is only the 2nd owner and he new personally the guy that bought it new. Could a UK tractor been purchased new in Texas? Are the only useful #'s on a plate somewhere on the right side or should I be looking for numbers elsewhere? Thanks for any help.

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Greg

03-24-2004 19:19:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to Milton, 03-17-2004 08:19:37  
Milton, I was able to go look at the tractor in question this weedend. Here's the #'s:

ID tag:
model# A480003B001256
serial# BLANK

Engine:
BD154
114673

Looks like it's a 364 since it has the diesel 154 engine - is this correct? What year model is it? I assume since you had all the info on the 354 you would know about the 364 also. Thanks. Is this tractor worth $3800? Keep in mind, a friend of mine has the tractor. I know it well - mowed hay with it about 4 years ago for 3 years in a row. It is VERY strong mechanically. We put a new lift and steering pump on it back then. It had a wiring short that melted all the wires since then so he has rewired it and repainted it. It is absolute show quality paint but it look very good. Seems that the charging system isn't working right, he thinks the short may have fried the Delco alt. he put on it years ago. The tach hasn't worked in years and the fuel gage doesn't work. What do you think?

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Greg

03-17-2004 09:01:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to Milton, 03-17-2004 08:19:37  
Milton, thanks for your response. I am going to see the tractor and get #'s this weekend. I will post them as soon as possible. Is the 364 tractor as "odd" as the 354's? Do the 364's look like the 354's?



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Greg

03-17-2004 17:28:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: International 354 identifi in reply to carl , 03-17-2004 12:56:46  
Hey Carl, assuming this tractor is indeed a 354, what (ballpark) is it worth. As you can see from previous posts, I know the tractor well. It is very sound mechanically but has the typical, weak tires and paint etc. No telling on the hours as the tach didn't work 4 years ago when I used it mowing hay for this friend that I may buy it from. Alt. gage, oil pressure and temp. gage worked but tach and fuel gage did not. I loved this tractor. I ran it for 3 summers mowing hay for this friend and it is so stout. He mowed along side me with a 3600 Ford and I like everything about this International in question (354?) better except the power steering. The 3600 Ford had much better power steering.

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JB

03-15-2004 20:35:45




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 Re: International 354 identification in reply to Greg, 03-15-2004 19:36:19  
Hi, from your description it sounds like a UK made 354 with a 4 cyl BD144 diesel engine. Does it have glow plug starting, 4 + R and Hi/Lo lever on left side of main gear shift lever? This is newer version of B275, B276.
I believe around 35 hp.

JB



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Greg

03-16-2004 10:21:01




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 Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to JB, 03-15-2004 20:35:45  
JB, this specific tractor I am looking at runs well, the motor is real tight and uses very little oil. It runs cool under the heaviest of loads even in Texas heat and holds great oil pressure. Hydraulic pumps (steering and lift) have been replaced in last 5 years and work well. Tach doesn't work so I have no idea how many hours. Tires are fair at best. Paint isn't good, steering cylinder leaks and is weak. Assuming I find out for sure this is a 354, how much is this tractor worth?

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Greg

03-16-2004 06:06:04




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 Re: Re: International 354 identification in reply to JB, 03-15-2004 20:35:45  
JB and lee, it does have glow plugs but I'm not sure if it's the 144 or 154 engine. For some reason, we thought if it is a 354 model, it had the 154 engine but this may be wrong. It does have a 4 speed main and then a Hi-Lo lever. Don't remember if the Hi-Lo lever is on the left or right of the main. I will look this weekend. It also does have a differential lock that I think is a lever in the right floorboard but I'll have to make sure. You all saying it is a UK tractor makes me wonder. I know it was bought new in Texas because the fellow I am buying it from is only the 2nd owner and he new personally the guy that bought it new. Could a UK tractor been purchased new in Texas? Are the only useful #'s on a plate somewhere on the right side or should I be looking for numbers elsewhere? Thanks for any help.

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