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Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower

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big lawn in WI

02-04-2004 10:25:59




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I am curious about this type of setup. Does an A have enough power, live PTO, decent brakes, and how many gears? I mow about 3 acres of rough, hilly lawn, anyone have experience with these. Thanks




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John_N

02-05-2004 09:27:26




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
I mow a hilly lot with a Super A, and I want to address that part. While this is a pretty stable tractor and has a low center of gravity, especially with with loaded tires, it lacks a roll-over protection system, and you have to watch what you are doing. Things can be too steep. You can get in trouble quickly, as you simply can't stop on a dime. I try to keep the left (heavy) side on the up slope, and I stay off the steep parts.

I grew up with this tractor, and I'm used to it. If you are new to tractors like this, you should be cautious -- the brakes are for turning, not for stopping.

Bottom line: these tractors can kill you if you aren't careful. Make sure you know what you are doing.

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Jared in VT

02-05-2004 05:34:59




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
Big Lawn, Well considered advice from these boys. How in heck would you get it if not for this fine web site?! I would not walk away from the B just because it has a narrow front end. I always felt it was more stable than the A or Cub. The B will turn on a dime. The A's steering is stogier. The A's and B's before the Super series had a type of "exhaust lift" available too. Clever system.
My Cub had a 4 foot single blade belly mower with a built-in slip clutch. Handy and fun to use, but underpowered, espicially on hill's. The A, B and Super A have power to spare and a tougher, tractor like feel. The Super A's touch control hydraulics are mighty fine. But there are many after market systems that smart guys invent to install hydraulic systems on the old A's and B's, that work very well, and are in fact superior to any electrical winch-type affair. Sounds like your having fun, good luck!
Jared

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big lawn in Wi

02-04-2004 17:37:31




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
Thanks guys, now here is another one- how similiar is my neighbors farmall B to an A or Super A. I could go take his for a test spin before I start shopping. Is the only difference the narrow or wide fronts. I definitely want a wide front.



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TimV

02-04-2004 18:28:30




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 Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in Wi, 02-04-2004 17:37:31  
Big: The B is the exact same tractor as the A from most mechanical aspects--same engine, transmission, etc. It is a "straight" tractor, whereas the A's and Cubs are an "offset" tractor--the engine is offset to the left (from the operator's seat) of the rest of the tractor, allowing the operator to look directly down at the ground below him. This was primarily for ease of viewing when cultivating, hence Farmall's term "culti-vision", which is used in reference to these tractors. While I have seen Farmall B's with wide fronts, the vast majority were narrow fronts. Also, the B does not have hydraulics, and Farmall never made a "Super B".

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Haas

02-04-2004 18:22:56




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 Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in Wi, 02-04-2004 17:37:31  
The A and the B have the same engine and transmission. Difference is the rear and front wheel set up. Of course the B has the narrow front with a different steering gear. The B is also wider in the rear, as although you sit offset, the tractor is not offset. The A is offset design with an extension only on one side of the differential whereas the B has the extension on both sides making it quite a bit wider in the rear. The A was intended as a one row tractor, where the B was set up to do two rows at a time. Used as a mower tractor, I would think performance would be about the same.

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NCJIM

02-04-2004 17:10:17




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
I personally would not recommend anything less than a Super A. You will have PTO, hydraulics and enough power. There are several folks in this area that use this setup. A 100, 130, or 140 would work well also. I have a cub, Super A, and 140. I do not believe that you would be happy with the performance of a cub with a 5 ft. mower on it.



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scruffy

02-04-2004 18:31:41




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 Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to NCJIM, 02-04-2004 17:10:17  
I just took a 60 inch belly mower off a high crop AV. I was nervous about the potential for roll-over with my young sons. I was considering putting it on my standard A. It does not have hydralic lift, just hand operated lifts. Would this be workable? Maybe the mower is too heavy to lift easily.



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NCJIM

02-04-2004 19:06:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to scruffy, 02-04-2004 18:31:41  
The mower will work on an A, but I would just prefer the hydraulics over a manual lift. If your land is a little rough or rocky, it is much easier to raise the mower a little while moving. You would probably have to stop to raise one with a hand lift.



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tractorhead

02-05-2004 04:42:43




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mo in reply to NCJIM, 02-04-2004 19:06:26  
I have a farmall A with a 60 inch woods machinal lift I have to stand up and use two hands to lift,not good. jimmy



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big lawn in Wi

02-05-2004 04:55:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods bell in reply to tractorhead, 02-05-2004 04:42:43  
Could a guy rig up an electric winch to raise and lower the deck. A winch like they put on ATV'S.



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TimV

02-05-2004 13:47:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods in reply to big lawn in Wi, 02-05-2004 04:55:37  
Big: Most of these tractors came with a stock 6-volt electrical system. If this is the case, it would take some fiddling to get an ATV winch (which are pretty much universally 12-volt) to work. However, a good number of these tractors have been converted to 12-volt over the years, in which case it would be a simple matter to hook up an ATV winch, at least from an electrical standpoint. Mechanically, you'd have to come up with a method of mounting the winch and also a way of orienting the cable to pull from the proper angle, but neither of these should be all that difficult to do.

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Cub Woods 42'' Belly Mowe

03-01-2004 10:30:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall A with a 60 Wo in reply to TimV, 02-05-2004 13:47:56  
I currently have Cub and am looking at getting a Super A with a 3 point hitch attachment. Does anyone know if a standard Woods 42'' belly mower will work on a Super A with that set-up? I would prefer not to have to buy a new mower if I get the Super A. And if the mower will work, will I be able to use it with the three point attachment still on (so I don't have to hassle with removal)?

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Ramon

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Haas

02-04-2004 12:26:56




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
As Tim said, the A has enough power to run the Woods 5 ft belly mower. Better though to get a Super A, or a 100 series, as they have the hydraulics to do the lifting. None of these have live PTO, but you don't really need it for the belly mower. I used one for about 20 years, first on a Super A and then a 140 (same mower). If you have much hills, you will need to set the wheels out as far as you can and still be inside the mower cutting width. There are three working speeds in the transmission plus the road gear. Most of the time you will mow in 2nd gear. If going up a very steep hill the engine has to pull the tractor as well as the mower, so you may end up in low gear there. Also, the brakes on these tractors are not real good. If in good repair they hold very well going forward, but not as good in reverse. However, they tend to leak transmission grease onto the bands, especially on the left side, so make sure you check out the brakes. Quite a chore to repair them, as you have to remove the final drives from the transmission to get to the brakes. Bottom line is quite a good mowing setup, but recommended mostly for those who have some mechanical ability to repair and adjust.

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TimV

02-04-2004 10:37:40




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 Re: Farmall A with a 60 Woods belly mower in reply to big lawn in WI, 02-04-2004 10:25:59  
Big: A couple of thoughts: This setup works well, but there's a couple of considerations. First, an A does not have live PTO, nor does it have a hydraulic lift system. Some people use an exhaust lift (an "air" operated system that hooks onto the exhaust) to raise the mower, while others use some sort of manual lift--usually spring-assisted. The A's horsepower (roughly 18) is sufficient to run a 5' mower, and in fact many people (myself included) run a 5' mower on a Farmall Cub, which is a size smaller (around 10 hp.). Another possibility is to look for a Super A, which has a couple more horsepower as well as a hydraulic lift. The A and Super A have a 4-speed forward transmission, with the 4th gear being a "road gear" giving a top speed of around 12 MPH. The Cub has a 3-speed forward transmission, with no "road gear". All have 1 reverse gear. Any of the above make nice mowing tractors, but the hydraulics of the Cub and Super A definitely make them more user-friendly.

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