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Michael Soldan

01-28-2004 11:08:18




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Well, everything is closed in our county today and I had to go to the farm to tend the stock. I took back roads because all highways had barriers set up with "Road Closed". When I made it back to the town of Hensall there were several semis parked along the roadside waiting for conditions to improve. An OPP cruiser came by and after he left I told a trucker I was going back out a concession and making my way home. I gave him instructions on how to get to Sarnia and Port Huron but he was reluctant. He says we can be fined $110 and lose three demerit points for going around a barrier on the highway. He also says insurance is null and void.I believe the fine and demerit points is correct but I can't find any rider in my insurance policy that says it is null and void if you ignore a barrier. I've been through Montana in wintry conditions, they have gates that they swing shut and the highway becomes officially closed..what happens where you are.?...I got to feed cattle regardless of the weather so I pick and choose backroads that I can still buck the drifts on...an old Dodge power wagon 4x4 stays pretty much on the road..on my way into town I caught up with the OPP cruiser and a Fedex van..all three of us got in safely....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

01-28-2004 17:18:28




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 Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-28-2004 11:08:18  
Michael: I can tell you a bit on the trucker's dilemma and reluctance. Fine for you to head out on those side roads, but if his paper work doesn't show he picked up a load on those side roads he is in trouble also, just being there. He is in a no win situation. His insurance is probably written differently from yours. Remember also he has a heavy load, not giong to keep up with your power wagon bucking snow. Man if he ever gets bogged down in deep snow, or happens to get off the side road. The equipment it would take to get him mobile again could soon run up a bill of $5,000. to $10,000. That is also not allowing for any damage that might occur. Most of the guys I have driven for will tell you, when it comes to storm situation, sit it out, that is what you have a sleeper for.

Even if they don't close the roads, many truckers will pull over. It's one thing to make that commute home from what ever you are doing within a 100 miles from home, it's quite another to buck winds and snow for 8 to 10 hours. The single biggest reason for closing roads in your area is visability and the fact SUV drivers will not slow down. If those guys would just use some common sence, there is absolutely no reason to close the road. The part that gets me about these SUV's is half of them are being driven by women going to mimamum wage jobs. Man someone must be desperate to get them out of the house.

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Michael Soldan

01-28-2004 19:27:41




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 Re: Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-28-2004 17:18:28  
You're right Hugh, I'm sure it would cost a pretty penny to haul an eighteen wheeler out of a median or back up on its wheels. Its blowing again tonight and I'm thinking tomorrow isn't going to be any better than today. I haven't worked yet this week, customers can't get their cars into the shop for their appointments so there's no use of me going in, besides I have been too busy blowing snow. 83 was closed to Russeldale this morning, that big snowbank is likely waiting for you again!!! Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Hugh MacKay

01-29-2004 03:14:20




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 Re: Re: Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-28-2004 19:27:41  
Michael: That big snow bank will just have to wait. I never go north of the No.7 highway in winter anymore. I was at a plowing match last summer, met up with a guy from Lucan. Happened to mention my experiences in Woodham last winter. He said," Number 7 highway was built along the edge of a snowbank in July a few years back."

I was thinking a bit about this subject after I posted last evening. I know Nova Scotians are getting bad on this not slowing down on icey, snowy roads in poor visability, but their not quite as bad as Ontarians. I was thinking what is the difference. Well of course your roads are straighter, but its more than that, then it hit me. Nova Scotians are just getting bad on the new super highways with no obsticals in the ditches. There is the answer, what you need is a few granite rock the size of a pickup along the ditches, and by gosh, I'll bet they will slow down when the driving gets bad.

This visability item is another matter that intrigues me also. We had winds like this on the east coast, and snow didn't blow around like it does here. Down there many on the storms end with a south wind and rain or near rain condition. This puts a crust on the snow, then it doesn't move around.

What we need Mike is a snow blower that diverts part of the snow by a heat source, melts it and blows it out as water, thus sealing that blowing snow in. A guy could probably get a Canada Council Grant for developing something like that. The other thing we could do Mike is go into the rock business. Talk governments into lining the ditches with granite. Just think of the benefit, people would learn to slow down, and OPP officers would have a lot more time for other duties during inclement weather. Why they could even go to Tim's.

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SAm in NS

01-29-2004 05:52:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Hugh MacKay, 01-29-2004 03:14:20  
It would be nice if someone would shut the gate and send us some snow. We've only had one decent snowfall so far this winter but it has stayed around. We've had about two one week segments of -20C (seasonal lows are usually -12C) and NS power has been running a bit short on occasions.

There is a section of highway out to Windsor (NS) which was recently twinned due to the number of accidents which seem to be due to excessive speed for the conditions. All of the guard rails are fitted with new collapsible ends and poles designed to shear off.

There have several days when the school buses couldn't run lately so they are cancelled and all the non-bus students still have to go to school walking on the unplowed roads and sidewalks to arrive at an unplowed schoolyard to attend school where they are not supposed to learn anything because the bus students are not there.

The best one is using farm tractors for snowplowing. I went to try to license my tractor for the road (I don't have a truck or trailer) and the lady at the motor vehicle department tells me if it's licensed as a farm tractor I can't drive it down the road to go plow snow, but if I license it as a general tractor I can't tow a trailer or implement with it. Oh well I can't afford the insurance anyway. SAm in NS

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Scott

01-28-2004 14:24:38




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 Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-28-2004 11:08:18  
well, to me, "road closed" means that that particular road is closed at that point. Side roads are not marked "road closed", so they're not closed....plain and simple. I've gotten to where I needed with a closed interstate...just took the highway that paralleled it. nothing illegal about that.



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Kevin S.

01-28-2004 21:17:19




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 Re: Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Scott, 01-28-2004 14:24:38  
In PA, the Governor has in the past declared the highways closed. The last time, it left me in a bit of a sticky wicket. I was an essential county employee (911 dispatcher) who was required to get to work.



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Bill B

01-28-2004 13:13:47




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 Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-28-2004 11:08:18  
I can only remember twice the roads were closed. Mostly the DOT is out there plowing steady until the roads are clear. The yuppies would squawk if they had to slow down for snow covered roads. My brother lives in upper vermont, and his school almost never closes. He has a 2 wd pickup and has never gotten stuck in 23 years, a mile and a half from the highway. I guess it depends on how well the roads are plowed.

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Bill

01-28-2004 12:29:39




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 Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Michael Soldan, 01-28-2004 11:08:18  
It happened in Ohio a couple years ago. Roads were closed except for emergency vehicles. A woman was going home from work, police stopped her, towed her car, gave her a ticket, took her to the police station and then called her husband to come and take her home. Doesn't seem right.



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ChasK.

01-28-2004 13:09:06




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 Re: Re: State and Provincial Laws in reply to Bill, 01-28-2004 12:29:39  
If the roads were closed.....did they fine the husband when he got there??? And how did he get home?? Sounds dumb to me, but I don't doubt it a bit!!!!



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