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Steve2007

06-17-2007 12:25:22

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On a stock 264 will it help to run 110 or will it hurt you.I have noticed running 110 in a hard pull when the moter is pulled down I don't have that little "ump" when the govener opens up like you would running 87

Steve

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Harold H

06-17-2007 19:18:57

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Steve2007, 06-17-2007 12:25:22

The 110 octane must be racing fuel. Most available general aviation fuel is 100 low lead.

Harold H

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Steve2007

06-17-2007 17:35:41

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Steve2007, 06-17-2007 12:25:22

So could this be hurting me

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jonnny2006

06-17-2007 16:46:30

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Steve2007, 06-17-2007 12:25:22

higher octain is less explosive..... .. thus on higher compression engines it is req if you don't run it the gas will pre ignite and cause the piston to get slamed down before tdc. Running higher oct dosent do anthing for you if you engine dosent need it. like in the old v8 cars that i turned the timing 7-10 deg. then the higher octaine will help. i run 90 octaine in all my tractors as thats what they bring me from shell for the same price as 87. no alcohol and it has some addative in it to im not hure what it does? its shell 90 octain gas. in minnesota you don't pay the 20 cents mn tax. but you pay the fed tax of 17 cents or so but keep your recept as you can turn it in at the end of the year for a rebate. so farm gas in the end in minnesota is about 37-42 cents per gannon cheeper thn the pump. i filled my barrel last at 1.69 gallon. that was last march when it was 1.84 at the pump. some spots at the time were as low as 1.78

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the tractor vet

06-17-2007 16:01:31

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Steve2007, 06-17-2007 12:25:22

don't know where your getting 110 at but i'll take it then i could bump the timing up on the 706 ten more degrees . on a old 264 with lets say fire crater pistons 87 will work ok but 89 would be better as ya can get a wisker more out of it . unless ya are over the 9 to 1 the 110 ain't doing nothing and to get the most out of it ya need to be more in the 11-1 range and up

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georgeky

06-17-2007 18:32:55

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to the tractor vet, 06-17-2007 16:01:31

Vet, you can get 110 octane at any airport. That is aviation gas. We run it in dads 1963 Cherokee 180.

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Harold H

06-17-2007 19:22:42

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to georgeky, 06-17-2007 18:32:55

What airport are you at that still has 110? All I have found in the last few years from the Carolinas to California is 100 low lead aviation fuel.

Harold h

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georgeky

06-17-2007 19:33:33

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Harold H, 06-17-2007 19:22:42

I haven't gotton any in two or three years, but the last time I was up I stopped in MT Sterling, Ky and they still had 110. The plane is in the hanger on the farm and hasen't even been up in since then. Maybe there is no more 110. I have been thinking about getting the annual done on the plane and get it out a little. I have lost all interest in it. A friend wrecked an ultra-light, he hit a power line on dads farm and was killed, so I haven't been up but twice since then. In 1981 Dad hit a ground hog hole and bent the front wheel strut causing him to run right through a tobacco barn. Tore both wings off it and the advertising light from under it. My mom and baby brother was in the plane with him, but luckily nobody was hurt.

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Harold H

06-17-2007 20:28:05

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to georgeky, 06-17-2007 19:33:33

George,

Glad nobody was hurt in your Dad's landing incident. Hope you will get back into flying while you can. My wife and I actually met at the airport in the early 60's when she and a date were looking for someone to take them flying. I had a license and we have been flying together every since. Due to health issues, I had to sell my last plane last October, a Cessna 180, as I can no longer pass a flight physical, and we really miss it. We have flown ourselves, over the past 40 plus years, to; Key West, FL (furtherist south), Outer Banks & Kitty Hawk, NC (furtherist east), Edmonton, AB (furtherist north), and Tehachapi, CA (furtherist west), and many many places between.

Harold H

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georgeky

06-17-2007 20:53:15

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Harold H, 06-17-2007 20:28:05

When I was a kid, dad was teaching me to fly out of Okeechobee Fla. He had a Cessna Skyhawk at the time. Anyhow we flew over the beach at Ft Pierce on our way to the Bahama's and people were swimming by the dozens and not 200 feet from them was a whole school of sharks, looked like a hundred of them. I have not been in the ocean since. We use to fly a little frieght and advertise over ball games and such with that light under the belly of the plane. I only have a private rating, but dad is a licensed instructor. He has a whole string of ratings. Instrument,multi engine and so on. When he wrecked it was on Tuesday night and we had to have the plane flying by Friday. Our nextdoor neighbor went to from here in Ky to Orlando for one wing and a friend of mine went to Kansas City after the other while we worked on the plane. By Friday afternoon we had it fixed and inspected ready to go. There isn't much holding those wings on. I think they only weighed around 100 lbs a piece. I suspect they will ground dad shortly as his blood pressure has gone through the roof. He is 70 and don't fly anymore as it is.

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Harold H

06-18-2007 06:07:48

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to georgeky, 06-17-2007 20:53:15

George,

Sounds like your Daddy started flying about when I did (1962) I have Commercial, single & multi engine land, single engine sea, instrument airplane, and in the 70's and 80's was a certified flight instructor. Now can't fly at all. My wife has a Private, single engine land, but is also not able to pass the flight physical examination so both of us are no fly. We never flew to the Bahamas as you did, but always wanted to. Over the years we have had; Cessna 170, Cessna 172, Cessna 172 180hp, and Cessna 180. I prefer conventioal gear planes and my wife prefered to fly tricycle gear planes. I like anything mechanical and old; trains (although our railroad used diesels, a number of steam excursions operate over our line each year), old airplanes (my oldest was a 1949, my last was a 1953), antique cars & trucks (currently have 66 Ford but have had numerous ranging back to 35 Ford), and antique tractors (currently have 1947 I-4).

Harold H

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rockerscraper

06-17-2007 18:24:50

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to the tractor vet, 06-17-2007 16:01:31

cam 2 race gas ?

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Guy Fay

06-17-2007 18:42:19

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to rockerscraper, 06-17-2007 18:24:50

1. If your engine doesn't have valve rotators, don't run the leaded stuff through it.

2. Those engines should run just fine with the lower octanes. If you still have the kerosene/distillate pistons in the engine, 87 octane is overkill.

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the tractor vet

06-17-2007 20:30:03

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Guy Fay, 06-17-2007 18:42:19

ANd how many still have the low compression pistons, I have not seen any of them in the last 25 years . If i ever get the bug to tear into my S/MTA them M&W flat tops are comming out and she is going to get a set of 8500 ft. pistons , now that will put a fire under her .

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Steve2007

06-18-2007 13:49:51

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to the tractor vet, 06-17-2007 20:30:03

Is it possible that 110 is hurting the performance of my tractor

steve

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Janicholson

06-18-2007 17:12:24

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Re: 87 or 110 octane in reply to Steve2007, 06-18-2007 13:49:51

Yes, use 92 max no problem, and the 110 has enough additives it fouls plugs. Don't waste your money. JimN

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