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Clutch Hassle

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Allan In NE

06-07-2007 16:40:03




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Arghruuu*****,

Tied into this clutch adjustment today.

Found the locknut on the forward clutch shaft was left loose and I 'spose that adjustment screw just walked down the shaft over time with usage.

Adjusted 'er up and set the transmission brake. Seemed to cure all the ills, the thing shifts good and the brake is holding the transmission from grinding as it should. Okay fine.

Trouble came when I started to adjust that dump valve. Fought it and fought it. That darned light comes on anytime the clutch is released; doesn't matter if the TA is in the high range or the low range. Push the clutch and the light comes on. Guess this is okay as it means a drop in pressure. Right?

Anyhoo, after battling it for quite awhile, I just set the thing to move the valve when the pedal is pushed. Everything seems to work okay, but I still think I can detect a "double launch" going on in high range when starting out.

Dunno. I've got a headache. :>(

Allan

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Owen Aaland

06-08-2007 00:14:59




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 16:40:03  
I like to have the dump valve adjusted so that it dumps with about one inch of travel left while pushing the clutch in. To check this, whether or not the light works, face the tractor up a slight incline. With the transmission in 1 rst Low and TA forward, push in the clutch and the tractor should roll backwards. As you start to release the clucth, the tractor should stop rolling when the clutch pedal is released about one inch. This is the point where the light will go out. The main clutch should not begin to engage yet in this position. As you release the clutch about another inch, the clutch should start to engage.

To check the transmission brake adjustment, idle the engine at 1000 - 1200 RPM in neutral. Push in the clutch pedal all the way. The gears should stop in three to five seconds. If they stop sooner it is too tight and can cause hard shifting. If it takes longer, lengthen the adjustment rod 1/2 turn at a time until you get the right adjustment.

These checks work on any tractor with a TA. Other than the transmission brake it also works on the mechanical TAs in the smaller/older tracors.

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RR Mech

06-07-2007 20:32:23




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 16:40:03  
I"ve adjusted hundreds of these and the vet is correct in all respects except the light should TURN ON when you turn the bolt in. So if it is double shifting turn the bolt out.



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Allan In NE

06-08-2007 02:03:02




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to RR Mech, 06-07-2007 20:32:23  
Bingo!

That is exactly what it was doing. I kept turning and turning and the thing never did go back out. :>)

So then to be straight with you guys, I turn the thing one more turn after the point where the light just comes on?

Allan



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the tractor vet

06-07-2007 21:01:24




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to RR Mech, 06-07-2007 20:32:23  
Yea your wright i made a mistake here so slap my fingers as soon as the lite comes on . Guess i am getting old a feebel minded . Good that someone keeps me stright . I can do then in my sleed but not on here . All Allen had to do is fly me out and feed me and a couple bottels of C/R i could have done it in 15 min.



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RR Mech

06-07-2007 21:19:04




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to the tractor vet, 06-07-2007 21:01:24  
I know all about the feeble minded part from first hand experience. Just wanted to help.



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the tractor vet

06-07-2007 16:52:32




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 16:40:03  
Allen , this is not ROCKET SICENSE here on setting the DUMP VALVE , back the dump valve bolt out take it all the way out push the clutch down and hold it at the stop with engine at idel start turning the bolt in till the teltale light just goes out and stop let the clutch pedal up add one more complet turn in and lock down . as long as ya have everything else set like i told ya and ya have your 9/16th free travel you are good to go . but if ya still feel a double shift then ya ain't got the dump valve set. Should i start packen?????

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Allan In NE

06-07-2007 17:02:41




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to the tractor vet, 06-07-2007 16:52:32  
The valve and the lever are moving as they should. Push the pedal and the linkage works the valve.

I back the screw almost clear out of the turnbuckle. Then, hold that clutch clear in. Start the tractor. So far, so good.

The point I'm making is this:

I slowly start screwing the adjustment bolt back in to tighten it up. The light NEVER goes out. EVER.

Screwed it clear in until I thought I was gonna twist the thing off. Could tell it was bottoming out in the clevis. The light still stays on constant.

I finally just did a "guess-ti-mate". Book says it's gotta move that valve at least 3/8". I dunno.

Could they have changed that valve in the later years on the 66 series? In order for the light to go out, it's gotta have pressure. Never does with the clutch held in.???

Allan

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dwag

06-07-2007 19:19:15




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 17:02:41  
Screwing\shortening dump valve bolt in will cause light to come on. I have had to splice, lengthen the adj bolt by 1/2", 3/4" on a few older tractors to get the adj right. The main thing is to have light go out a little before tractor starts to move. Sounds like your close before you begin to shorten adj., and need a little more length on adj bolt.



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the tractor vet

06-07-2007 17:12:45




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 17:02:41  
No they are the same all the way up into the 86 seires . Are you doing this with help or are you tryen to DIY it ya got to have help to kee the pedal down while you are turning that littel 1/4 inch bolt in to the clevis and from the picture i did not see clean threads all i see is the lock nut on the foward clutch rod loose. ya want that littel bolt below it .



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Allan In NE

06-07-2007 17:20:37




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to the tractor vet, 06-07-2007 17:12:45  
Yeah,

Took the picture before I started on that rascal.

Had the wife in the cab watching the light; never went out as I turned the bolt from below.

So, then I tried it by myself and held the clutch down with a piece of 2X4. Turned a couple of turns and then would check, turned a couple of more turns and then would recheck. Never, ever saw that light go out all the way down the adjustment bolt.

Yeah, I was on the correct bolt.

Allan

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The tractor vet

06-07-2007 17:38:02




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 17:20:37  
Don't know what ya got going on here but ya got something not quite wright . It will work if ya have everything set . Done more then i can remember and never had one that it did not work on . Ususaly that lite will go out somewhere from six to nine turns in from the end of the clevis . This double shiften is not a good thing as it is working against the T/A . Are ya sure that ya covered everything here . Lets start again with setting the free travel , First ya take the pins out of the clutch bellcrank and the trans brake , then ya push the ft clutch rod back into the hyd assit cylinder as far as ya can next ya adjust the back rod out till ya feel resistance and feel the ft. rod move a wisker and i forgot to tell ya to pull the bellcrank back so ya can install the pin for the ft rod and set your free trave for the 9/16th at the clutch pedal and once that is all done move to the trans brake and with one hand push the trans brake lever back as far as ya can then push the clutch down to the stop and hold it there and adjust the clevis out till the pin will slide in after that is donme let the clutch up and then add the one to two turns to the clevis out then install the pin and cotter pin and lock the lock nut then on to the dump valve . and like i said to do there while holding the clutch pedal down after backing it out five or six turns start turning it in slowly till it JUST goes out then add the one turn and lock the lock nut while holding the head of the bolt.

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Allan In NE

06-07-2007 17:55:52




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to The tractor vet, 06-07-2007 17:38:02  
I'm totally convinced that the clutch itself is set correctly.

First thing this morning when I opened the cab door, I had about 3" of free travel; no wonder the darned thing would grind going into gear. So, I yanked that battery and did all the adjusting just like ya told me. I think it is "perfect" now.

However, I just asked the wife again if she ever saw that light go out..... ..... ..... ..... ..... she says, "Go out? It never came on".

That's when she left and I started working on it by myself and realized I hadn't unscrewed the thing far enough to begin with.

I'm gonna tackle it again tomorrow. Think she and I had our wires crossed on this deal.

Thanks for your help,

Allan

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the tractor vet

06-07-2007 18:02:35




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 17:55:52  
Hey not a problem , any time ya need something ya know where i am at.



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georgeky

06-07-2007 16:46:26




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 16:40:03  
That looks like my wrench.



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Janicholson

06-07-2007 16:46:23




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 Re: Clutch Hassle in reply to Allan In NE, 06-07-2007 16:40:03  
I think I have read The Tractor Vet's Comment on that light, and it is intended to be on when the clutch is in. JimN



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