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6v to 12v genny

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Bill Geer

04-13-2007 09:29:33




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Can a 6v genny be pumped up to 12v?
Are the genny cub up to m the same?
Any body got a 12v, and mounting to fit a 51 cub?




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Bill Geer

04-13-2007 21:21:32




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
Thanks guys Bill



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Tom43

04-13-2007 13:57:01




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
Hooking a 12 volt regulator to a 6 volt generator will work for a while but not for long. Since the 6 volt fields have one half the resistance and consequently twice the current draw of 12 volt fields, the extra amperage will burn the contacts in the 12 volt regulator in a short time.



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John T

04-13-2007 11:05:18




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
Bill, Basically a genny dont necessarily know what voltage is SUPPOSED TO GENERATE, its increased by:

1) Turning it faster, or

2) Pumping more amps through its Field windings which increases the magnetic field strength in which the armature rotates.

Its the regulation/control of the Field amps what controls/regulates the gennys output regardless if automatically by a Voltage Regulator or manually by a Low/High charge type light switch, they dead ground the Field post for High Charge but ground it via a resistor to lower field amps for Low Charge

THAT BEING SAID YESSSSS SSSSS I have used so called "6 volt" gennys totally unmodified to charge a 12 volt battery simply by changing to a 12 volt Voltage Regulator BUTTTTT TTT IM NOT SAYING THATS IDEAL OR CORRECT OR PERFECT OR BEST MIND YOU, ONLY THAT IT WORKS. However, it didnt set the world on fire or charge at any high amp charge rate, buttttt it did charge with no problems. TO DO IT RIGHT, it would be converted with new 12 volt field windings and the armatures N COMMUTATORS are a tad different which a regular old fashioned type genny shop could perform and replace alllll in the same original core NOT A PROBLEM

In the event the gennys is a 3 brush adjustable type, it would help to set the third brush for the MAX charge rate for sure.

BOTTOM LINE yesssss sss it can charge at 12 volts (genny unmodified) but it wont charge at the rate a designed for 12 volt genny normally would.

Hope this helps n answers your question....

John T

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Owen Aaland

04-13-2007 14:40:56




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to John T, 04-13-2007 11:05:18  
This is exactly what I have experienced. It can work, but there are better ways to do it.



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old

04-13-2007 10:55:26




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
You do know that now days you can buy 12 volt gennys and then all you do is install one of them. I know valuebilt has them and in the long run it would probably be cheaper to buy one from them then to have yours reworked to do the same thing.



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RustyFarmall

04-13-2007 10:33:28




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
some folks will tell you that a 12 volt battery is all that is needed, and the 6volt gen will keep it charged. I know at least one person who tried it, and it does NOT work. A 6 volt generator can be rewound to put out 12 volts, but you would be better off "and cheaper" to just find a godd 12 volt unit from a car, truck, or newer tractor that was 12 volt to start with. Get a voltage regulator to match the generator you have chosen, and you should be good to go.

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Janicholson

04-13-2007 09:42:02




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Bill Geer, 04-13-2007 09:29:33  
Just barely if used with a 12v regulator (probably not 3 brush units unless modified)
Best with the original is to have different field windings installed.
Better yot is to use a 12v Delco off of a later model that looks the same, but is wound for 12v. JimN



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kfox

04-13-2007 17:19:29




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 Re: 6v to 12v genny in reply to Janicholson, 04-13-2007 09:42:02  
12 volt field coils are available at repair shops. I replaced the 6 volt coils in my H gen.
The trick is getting the screws out that hold the coils in. I think the 12 v. coils cost around 25 bucks, and a new wire stud kit was 6 bucks.

ken



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