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Timing a IH 140 - best method

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Nawlens Gator

02-23-2007 08:38:22




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I have 2 140's I use most weekends in warmer months. I'm switching to electronic Ignition one at a time starting this weekend and I would like to set the timing also. The marks on the flywheel are getting hard to read and I'm not sure I've set the timing correctly on either. I noticed the distributor on the one that runs the best is turned more counter-clockwise than the other, but this could just be due to differences in the 2 trractors (one's a '68, the other is a '74).

So here's my first question: Can I just measure with a tape and put a mark for timing and if so how far do I measure. If I knew the flywheel diameter and correct advance I could calculate distance = (angle/360) x (pi) x Diameter if I'm thinking straight.

Second: Does anyone just turn the distributor by hand, listen for a sweet spot, and set it there?

Last: Can you damage the engine if the timing gets too screwed up?

Any help appreciated.

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TheDurk

02-25-2007 12:42:56




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
I have maintained a 140 since it was new in 1966 and I was 14 years old. Timing by ear works better for me than using the light. I do use the light to check the spark advance operation (if you are having rough acceleration or reduced power at load). I learned to get into the back of the distributor every few years and clean and lube the springs and weights. Final test is take it up "the hill" in fourth, hitting the bottom at full speed. If she can make it to the top without dying at the steep part 3/4 of the way up, she"s tuned right.[It requires full power at all RPM levels to pass this test, so I think it"s a good one. Of course, you have to have this particular hill.]

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Nawlens Gator

02-24-2007 16:42:01




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
Thanks for all the good comments. You guys bring a lot of good knowledge to the table. There is no timing groove in the flywheel but there are timing marks at 1 degree intervals that are hard to see. The final test of increasing the throttle and insuring smooth acceleration sounds worthwhile.



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Georgeky

02-23-2007 13:53:56




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
I tend to agree with Hugh. I time all of my tractors by ear. Take into consideration that these tractors are old, and do have some wear. The timing light may not get you exactly right due to the wear on the timing gears. However it will get you in the ballpark but it may require final adjustment by ear.



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Nat 2

02-23-2007 11:44:33




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
The difference in distributor angle could be due to any number of reasons, most likely because someone had the distributor off the tractor and didn't get the distributor drive gear lined up quite the same. Also, timing will be different on every tractor.

How can the timing mark on the crankshaft pulley be fading away? It's a V-notch machined into the cast pulley. Is something rubbing on the pulley? If nothing is rubbing on the pulley, it is not fading or wearing. At worst, the layer of grease and dust is getting thicker. A quick scrape will return the timing mark back to its original luster.

To time, you find top dead center on the compression stroke for cylinder #1 (front). TDC can be found by slowly rolling the engine over by hand with your thumb over the open spark plug hole until you feel air pushing past. Line up the timing marks at this point.

Pull the distributor cap. The rotor should be directly underneath the #1 post on the cap. If it isn't, rotate the distributor until it is.

A timing light is a waste of time. You need to time the tractor by ear to find the sweet spot where it accelerates smoothly when the throttle is quickly jerked from idle to full. Start the tractor and set it for a fast idle. Roll the distributor a little at a time until the tractor starts stumbling. Roll back the other way until the tractor starts stumbling. That's your range. Now find the first sweet spot where you get the smoothest idle. Now jerk the throttle to wide open. If it accelerates smoothly, it's timed. Otherwise, move it a little and try again.

If you get it "too screwed up," the engine won't run. If you're only a little screwed up, the engine won't run very well, and could sustain damage if run hard for long periods of time in this state. Being a tiny bit off will not hurt anything.

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Nawlens Gator

02-24-2007 17:07:25




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nat 2, 02-23-2007 11:44:33  
Nat,

Do I lock the distributor down when at top dead center (is this zero degrees?) on No. 1 cylinder when the rotor lines up with the No. 1 distributor post? Is this just a starting point?

Thanks



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Hugh MacKay

02-23-2007 11:28:51




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
nawlens: I've been timing these little offsets by ear close to 50 years now. If you listen closely they will tell you when it's exactly right. Everywhere I go, folks remark about how well my tractor sound, how well they start and how well they pull. I don't even know where the timing marks are on my tractors. I just make sure they are TDC compression, put the distributor in with rotor pointing to no. 1 on cap. I expect you can achive the same with that elec ign.

You probably wont get it exactly right the first time, but you probably wouldn't with the timing light either. I guess it depends on which sence is the sharpest hearing or sight.

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El Toro

02-23-2007 09:14:03




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
If you can locate the timing marks on the flywheel
I would chalk that timing line and then use a timing light to set the timing. It will take a helper so you can do this. I use an inductive
timing light from Sears. Hal



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CNKS

02-23-2007 17:27:56




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to El Toro, 02-23-2007 09:14:03  
If it's like the Super A, there is no timing mark for a light. The one on the flywheel is for static timing. I think on the H/M or at least on the SH/SM there is an advance mark on the crankshaft pulley. One can be added to the A-140 provided the number of degrees at a certain rpm are known, but I don't think there is any advantage to that.



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Ih2444

02-23-2007 09:10:06




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 Re: Timing a IH 140 - best method in reply to Nawlens Gator, 02-23-2007 08:38:22  
I recommend using a timing light. Use chalk, paint or something to brighten up the timing mark.

Yes bad engine timing can cause overheat, valve and even piston damage.



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