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550Doug

08-04-2007 17:49:13

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I"ve got about 50 white pine trees to remove (50 ft tall and 10 inch stumps). I will fell and trim up the trees but I"ll need to remove the stumps. The white pine don"t have deep roots but they are too big for my backhoe. So I"m sussing out dozers and I"m wondering what size I should be looking for. Ideally I"d like one with a 6-way blade to help in landscaping a hillside. Is a Case 450 big enough? Any suggestions?

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eric1

08-07-2007 08:53:08

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

When you say "The white pine don't have deep roots but they are too big for my backhoe" what exactly do you mean by that? A moderate to fullsized tractor loader backhoe (TLB) should be able to rather easily dig out a 10" diameter pine stump (especially if you have a narrow trenching bucket). If all of the stumps are readily accessible with your backhoe, then you shouldn't need a separate crawler/dozer etc just to deal with the stumps. And if the stumps are not in a critical building area etc, then you don't necessarily have to fully remove them anyway. You can buy or rent a stump grinder to flatten them down flush with the ground.

But, if you're looking for an excuse to buy a dozer, and really have a need for one then that's another thing. Sounds like a 450 size Case or Deere would be the perfect size for the hillside landscaping. On the other hand a similar sized track loader with a 4-1 bucket could do a reasonable job of rough grading, although it's not as good as a dozer on hillsides or steep slopes. But overall a track loader with a 4-1 bucket is infinitely more versatile than a straight dozer. And it could readily push those 10" pines over stump and all in one fell swoop - and do a whole lot more than that too.

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eric1

08-07-2007 09:09:09

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Re: What dozer? in reply to eric1, 08-07-2007 08:53:08

Also forgot to mention that using a smaller dozer with a 6 way is not ideal for stump removal. The dozer will struggle quite a bit unearthing those stumps, it doesn't have the size or power to easily pop them out. It also doesn't have the same prying power that a loader can apply. And 6 way blades are not designed with stump removal in mind. They can get pranged up pretty easily digging on stumps if you're not real careful. Overall a 450 size dozer with 6 way blade is not the first choice for stump removal at all. Grading your slopes yes, stump removal no.

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john_bud

08-05-2007 21:03:43

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

If you use the BH to fell the tree, the stumps will pop out when the tree falls.

Dig a trench on the front side of the tree, Break the roots good. Then dig a trench on the back side. You can then use the swing to push the tree over and the stump will pop out as the tree slowly falls over.

If you have a thumb, you can cut and stack as you move down the row.

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Jim in N M

08-05-2007 09:23:33

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

One thing to remember is to cut the trees high enough to leave a "Tall" stump to be able to get leverage, even 5 or 6 feet is OK. unless your in a big hurry,you should be able to do the job with your backhoe, If it's a big enough hoe. Jim in N M

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murray

08-05-2007 05:21:31

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

OK you asked so this is my opinion. While pine stumps remove fairly easily It also depends on soil conditions and if the trees are in a group or if they are stand alone. Our ground is extremely dry now and they remove much harder. Damper ground improves ease of removing stumps to a point where its muddy and too wet. I find that trees that stand alone in a field root much deeper to compensate for the extra wind load. Next how far do you plan on moving the stumps after removal? If just taking them out is the goal then the case 450 would suffice. But if you want to push them into a pile then it may be a little tedious. For years I ran a Cat D3 and did a lot of this type of work. Then we got a Cat D5c and WOW what a difference. Not that much bigger but the work it would do nearly doubles. Its faster, smother ride, carries more ahead of the blade and you can hold a much better grade with a larger dozer than a small one. So in my opinion if I was renting a machine. I would step up to at least a Cat D4 (preferably a D5) or a Case 550 or a JD 450 (a 550 would be better) or similar size machine. You need to asses the cost of the daily rental to the amount of time it may take to do the job. I have learned the hard way that I thought the smaller machine was less expensive but in the end it cost more.

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danielm

08-04-2007 19:46:21

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

What size backhoe? You may have to do some diggin' as the dozer blade may not be able to get high enough to provide good leverage. I've found, depending on the soil, the best time to fell is a few days after a good rain. I use a JD450 crawler/loader. Two scoops at the root ball then push her over. Big ones require alittle rocking to loosen the stump.

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chris Or

08-04-2007 19:20:27

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Re: What dozer? in reply to 550Doug, 08-04-2007 17:49:13

That should work fine. I would push the trees over with the stumps attached then cut the tree off. or use your backhoe and get up about 10' to push them over. my 2cents. Chris

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